Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

I always see the irony in the Gallipoli services, Australia and NZ snuggle up to Turkey and say crap like "New Zealand soldiers had a great regard for the bravery and military skills of the Turks who fought in defence of their country" and "But as we reflect on this terrible episode, we are mindful that Gallipoli was also the cornerstone of more positive developments that could never have been foreshadowed in 1915." Yep the genocide was a really positive development, not.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

I always see the irony in the Gallipoli services, Australia and NZ snuggle up to Turkey and say crap like "New Zealand soldiers had a great regard for the bravery and military skills of the Turks who fought in defence of their country" and "But as we reflect on this terrible episode, we are mindful that Gallipoli was also the cornerstone of more positive developments that could never have been foreshadowed in 1915." Yep the genocide was a really positive development, not.

Yah if concider that in Gallipoli more soldiers died of diarea than of bullets... it was truly "bravery and military skills of the Turks"

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Yah if concider that in Gallipoli more soldiers died of diarea than of bullets... it was truly "bravery and military skills of the Turks"

Well the Turks use Gallipoli as a piece of propaganda to show how Turks can develop good friendships with past enemies, and that Armenian's should form a friendship with Turkey too. Robert Fisk's reply (paraphrasing) was that was nice try but the Turks didn't genocide millions of Australians and New Zealanders including women and children.

[Jos]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Yah if concider that in Gallipoli more soldiers died of diarea than of bullets... it was truly "bravery and military skills of the Turks"

Sadly there is an element of truth to this. Accordng to Erik Zürcher in his book "Between Death and Destruction (1996)", nearly seven times as many Turkish soldiers died of illness as died of wounds in actual combat. No other army in WW1 endured the same ratio of losess of their soldiers to disease versus the number lost in combat. The plight of the average Ottoman soldier was truly difficult, many having to survive on a handful of barley a day and without adequate medical treatment for their injuries. The Ottoman government was not only incompetent but callous as well, even towards its own soldiers.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Sadly there is an element of truth to this. Accordng to Erik Zürcher in his book "Between Death and Destruction (1996)", nearly seven times as many Turkish soldiers died of illness as died of wounds in actual combat. No other army in WW1 endured the same ratio of losess of their soldiers to disease versus the number lost in combat. The plight of the average Ottoman soldier was truly difficult, many having to survive on a handful of barley a day and without adequate medical treatment for their injuries. The Ottoman government was not only incompetent but callous as well, even towards its own soldiers.

Well you forgot to mention that the allies were not in better shape... actually from military point of view it wasn’t a battle at all…. It was 2 armies fighting against diarrhea.
And the winer was THE DIARHEA (means turks )

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Well you forgot to mention that the allies were not in better shape... actually from military point of view it wasn’t a battle at all…. It was 2 armies fighting against diarrhea.
And the winer was THE DIARHEA (means turks )

Well the British officers were a bunch of colonial-hating idiots and nutcases, the only reason we won the highest peak for a brief period was because we played dirty and violated their orders and fought at night.

[Jos]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Well the British officers were a bunch of colonial-hating idiots and nutcases, the only reason we won the highest peak for a brief period was because we played dirty and violated their orders and fought at night.

That's a popular misconception made famous by Peter Weir's film 'Gallipoli'. Actually many British officers, particularly General Hamilton had a very high regard for the Australians, New Zealanders and Gurkhas for their fighting qualities. If you watched the film you may recall a British officer directing the third and fourth wave of a suicide charge by ANZAC soldiers. That officer wasn't British but in fact an Australian named Major Antill.

And the reason why the English Officers didn't like to fight at night was because of their dependence on naval bombardments for artillery support that was most effective during the day when clear frontline boundaries could be established. The N.Z. soldiers had very little hope of holding onto to the peaks for long without heavy artillery support and in the face of a determined defender.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Well I think we went far from the subject of this thread....
Better open a new thread called "Diarhea and turkish "heroism"