Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the world’s parliaments.

[Merv]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the world’s parliaments.

Could our natural alliances be shifting? Are the Muslim Bosnians going to recognize the Armenian Genocide before our so-called "Orthodox brothers" the Serbs do?
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Bosnia-Herzegovina MP Says Genocide Resolution Will Pass
[ 2010/04/15 | 13:26 ] world

Drago Kalabic, head of the SNSD (Alliance of Independent Social Democrats) faction in the Bosnia-Herzegovina parliament’s House of Representatives has said that the law banning the burqa and the resolution condemning the genocide of Armenians committed by Turkey (Ottoman Empire), would be adopted by the [Bosnian] Serb Republic People’s Assembly if the Bosniaks [Muslims] fail to support it in the Bosnia-Herzegovina parliament.

The proposed resolution reads: “By recognizing the Armenian Genocide, Bosnia and Herzegovina will pay homage to the victims, pay respect to the survivors and their posterity, and will contribute to the prevention of future crimes against humanity…By adopting this resolution, Bosnia and Herzegovina wants to contribute to the establishment of lasting peace between Turks and Armenians” and asks Bosnian diplomatic representatives to acknowledge, through regular diplomatic channels, that a genocide has been committed against the Armenians.

“Many countries have already adopted a resolution on Turkish crimes. We want to prove that the Bosniak side is most flagrantly abusing the victims of Srebrenica, and to call things by their proper names. Turkey wants to be an important political factor, so let’s see how this country has dealt with its history,” Kalabic told the press.

He said that the situation was the same with the burqa. Kalabic recalled that many European countries had banned the veil for security reasons.

“Their security agencies say that they cannot wage a proper struggle against terrorism if they cannot identify an individual at any given moment. If Turkey has banned the burqa, why should Bosnia-Hercegovina not do the same?” Kalabic concluded.

http://hetq.am/en/world/30286/

No, what they're saying is that if the national assembly in Sarajevo does not condemn it, i.e. for all of Bosnia (presumably because the Muslims identify with Turks), then the lower level Bosnian Serb People's Assembly, which represents just the Serbs and the Serb half of Bosnia, will go ahead and make the resolution on their own, without the "approval" of Muslims and Croats.

Also, Kalabic points out the hypocrisy of calling the Srebrenica massacre (in which allegedly 8000 Muslim military-age men were massacred) a genocide but refusing to do the same for Turkish atrocities against Armenians.

[hipeter924]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the world’s parliaments.

The fact that Le Pen is polling 20% of the vote in France is not exactly indicative of a healthy, harmonious society. However the Western Europeans, need not take up arms in order to implement reforms.

The Turks are a wild bunch and certainly not a people to be trusted. However they more reasonable and agreeable, than most other Sunni Muslims. Who for the most part are hypocrites and inadequates. Islam is a retrogressive religion, that is incapable of producing anything other, than a primitive feudal society. Even Atatürk realised as much.

The Americans trust the Turks, as they have little to lose by doing so and are fearful of European econmic dominance.

Well anti-immigration exists regardless everywhere, but people should come to realise that religious tolerance can only go so far because at some point it breaks human rights, and people who break human rights must be punished or you end up with 'secular' Turkey. I am wondering what world people like Gordon Brown live in? You can't have it both ways, you either divide the nations up into religious theocracies (to allow total religious freedom) or you force Muslims to restrict their religion to the same extent Christianity and other religions are restricted e.g. no stoning, murder, killing of homosexuals or honour killings. No society should put religion as more important than human rights, even if that means limiting freedom of religion in favour of the rights of women, homosexuals and minorities.

[vasbourakan1]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the world’s parliaments.

I just signed a petition placed in Facebook addressed to N Pelosi regarding the AG, the link is

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?AMG

it is important to raise the maximum number of petitioners, so far the number of people who signed is 106

[Federate]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the world’s parliaments.

Could our natural alliances be shifting? Are the Muslim Bosnians going to recognize the Armenian Genocide before our so-called "Orthodox brothers" the Serbs do?
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Bosnia-Herzegovina MP Says Genocide Resolution Will Pass
[ 2010/04/15 | 13:26 ] world

Drago Kalabic, head of the SNSD (Alliance of Independent Social Democrats) faction in the Bosnia-Herzegovina parliament’s House of Representatives has said that the law banning the burqa and the resolution condemning the genocide of Armenians committed by Turkey (Ottoman Empire), would be adopted by the [Bosnian] Serb Republic People’s Assembly if the Bosniaks [Muslims] fail to support it in the Bosnia-Herzegovina parliament.

The proposed resolution reads: “By recognizing the Armenian Genocide, Bosnia and Herzegovina will pay homage to the victims, pay respect to the survivors and their posterity, and will contribute to the prevention of future crimes against humanity…By adopting this resolution, Bosnia and Herzegovina wants to contribute to the establishment of lasting peace between Turks and Armenians” and asks Bosnian diplomatic representatives to acknowledge, through regular diplomatic channels, that a genocide has been committed against the Armenians.

“Many countries have already adopted a resolution on Turkish crimes. We want to prove that the Bosniak side is most flagrantly abusing the victims of Srebrenica, and to call things by their proper names. Turkey wants to be an important political factor, so let’s see how this country has dealt with its history,” Kalabic told the press.

He said that the situation was the same with the burqa. Kalabic recalled that many European countries had banned the veil for security reasons.

“Their security agencies say that they cannot wage a proper struggle against terrorism if they cannot identify an individual at any given moment. If Turkey has banned the burqa, why should Bosnia-Hercegovina not do the same?” Kalabic concluded.

http://hetq.am/en/world/30286/

[retro]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the world’s parliaments.

The worst of it though is that the government just sits back and takes no actions against extremists (their favourite targets being Christians, xxxs and Armenian's). If that kinda stuff happened in New Zealand or Australia, they would be put in prison or deported; in Europe it seems to be acceptable for such violence and chaos (such as infamous 'God Bless Hitler', 'Kill the infidel' rallies in the UK).

The fact that Le Pen is polling 20% of the vote in France is not exactly indicative of a healthy, harmonious society. However the Western Europeans, need not take up arms in order to implement reforms.

The Turks are a wild bunch and certainly not a people to be trusted. However they more reasonable and agreeable, than most other Sunni Muslims. Who for the most part are hypocrites and inadequates. Islam is a retrogressive religion, that is incapable of producing anything other, than a primitive feudal society. Even Atatürk realised as much.

The Americans trust the Turks, as they have little to lose by doing so and are fearful of European econmic dominance.

[hipeter924]

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Well the reality is that islamists in Europe (which are usually Turkish or North African in origin) can complain, set cars on fire and cause disorder but as long as the military in Europe remains strong they are no real threat; there is no contest against tanks and a strong military. The worst of it though is that the government just sits back and takes no actions against extremists (their favourite targets being Christians, xxxs and Armenian's). If that kinda stuff happened in New Zealand or Australia, they would be put in prison or deported; in Europe it seems to be acceptable for such violence and chaos (such as infamous 'God Bless Hitler', 'Kill the infidel' rallies in the UK).

[Armanen]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the world’s parliaments.

Ashot

If anyone is afraid and insecure it's the Turks. None of these various Armenian genocide resolutions would be necessary. If the Turks for once did the right thing and came clean, in regards to the Turkish states involvement in past events. Rather than constantly seeking to suppress and evade it's responsibilities.

I agree. While the individual european may be a p*ssy, the nations themselves, such as the french, germans and brits, have powerful economies and militaries in comparison to turkey. The weak have no friends, so why sacrifice your interests for them?

[retro]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the world’s parliaments.

Ashot

If anyone is afraid and insecure it's the Turks. None of these various Armenian genocide resolutions would be necessary. If the Turks for once did the right thing and came clean, in regards to the Turkish states involvement in past events. Rather than constantly seeking to suppress and evade it's responsibilities.

[ashot24]

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I don't think the issue goes as the Westerners are afraid of Russia so they allow Turkey to get away with their crimes unpunished, I believe it's because they know how barbaric Turkey can be, it is clearly visible that many countries are afraid of Turkey more than they've ever been of any USSR. Differently from Russia, the Turks are barbarians who will not hesitate from committing a crime because they know nobody will ever punish them, they can do whatever they want without consequences.

We knew for decades that if the Russians attack, the US and the Westerners will "protect us", but if the Turks attack? Having that in mind, it's no surprise that so many countries are afraid of passing the Genocide resolutions not because it would "damage our bilateral relationships" or the new trend of it would "damage the Armenian-Turkey process", but because it would anger Turkey and the last thing they want is an angry Turkey.

In other words, the Westerners are a bunch of p*ssies.

[retro]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by the world’s parliaments.

It is truly scandalous, but hardly surprising, how many Western Europeans (particularly British but also French and Germans) have for decades and centuries knowingly permitted Turks to get away with everything solely because of the fear of Russia.

Anglo-Turko relations are far stronger than many people realise and the UK invests a lot of money in Turkic countries. What is more the British regime are not in a good position politically just before a general election and no doubt this Armenian Genocide proposal was tabled, now in order to kill it. Since the Turks have made it quite clear that aren't not going to except preconditions to any reconciliation process.

Europe will do what it does best, namely sit on the fence and do nothing. As it is not in Europe's intrests to become embroiled in highly contentious, political spats with it's neighbours. Even if they are a bunch of two faced, lying hypocrites. However they are far more likely to recognize the Armenian Genocide than the British.

As thinks stand, the Turk is maintaining that he is being victimized and his Sunni Islamist cronies are furious with Russia. However as far as I can see, they aren't excactly enamored with the Turks either. Since the ethno-religious, mass murder of Christian Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians is hardly something that they can (at least overly) support.