Peace at home, peace on earth:Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

Re: Peace at home, peace on earth:Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

I wish I could live 1881 – November 10, 1938 so I could have the chance to assassinate Atatürk I hate that man, and all that he was. Even saying his name make me disgusted. He is responsible for the hanging of my great-grandfather's brother. I'm Partly Greek partly Cypriot, He made my flesh and blood run from their homes as non humans. I feel sorry for my brothers and sisters Armenians who was likvidated by Turkish soldiers, they voices shall at last be heard! I hate todays Turkia and all theyr lies.
I Hate the country, and the black past of what happened to my brothers shall newer be forgotten! Oh how I would like to live those days.
TURKIA WILL NEVER ENTER (EU) IT IS A CRIMINAL STATE I WISH NEWER EXISTED. BURN!

[jgk3]

It is difficult to remember our mission if our anger is done away with. If we just let our anger go, our entire legacy, our background, our identity before the events of 1915 will suffer a devastating blow. We will be no different the various Anatolian communities who have no race, or at least don't even bother to identify themselves as what they originally were before, because the Turks took this away from them. However, the modern mind is trained to say, "I couldn't care less if I have no race, I'm just going to live my life for myself". If you feel this way, you can leave our cause, but we want to keep to our cause, our legacy And no, it's not because we're living in the past, but because we're concerned about our future.

There must be a balance between our anger and our tact, otherwise, we will achieve nothing.

Oh and by the way, the actual Turks who led the genocide may be dead, but their legacy lives on, and haunts us to this day. This is a deep wound to us. We cannot just forgive and forget, even if it happened 90 years ago. No, we don't need to repeat the mistakes of the past, we do not need to have mass killings of Turks, but we must reclaim what is ours should this wound ever close.

[skhara]

We do not need to feel any less angry

Actually, although it is very difficult not to, anger is an emotion that breaks down discipline. Its best if anger is done away with.

at what the Turks did to us,

These turks are dead by now are they not?

but we must keep a civilized face,

When the situation calls for it. I agree.

otherwise noone will listen to us except other angry Armenians, and alone, we have no power to make ammends.

I do remember hearing something out of the Artsakh war where some of the leadership said that it was often those who displayed a eager hatered who were often among the first to get themselves killed. Such emotions break down discipline. And when one becomes dead, one can no longer be of any assistance to the cause and to the people. So yeah, keeping a cool head is important on all fronts.

[jgk3]

To Karo: Yes, I see why some of my points were troublesome, but I also think that the only way order can be restored between the two peoples is through war or through diplomacy, and this time, one that Armenians win by a landslide.

I see what you mean when you say Ataturk sort of attempted for a clean slate effect to make everyone forget what really happened. I realize now that the modernization of the urban centers was indeed at the cost of the rural lands where the Armenians and other Anatolian minorities lived. For a Turk, Ataturk was a hero.

My mother's family lived in Istanbul and did not witness the events that took place in Anatolia during the reign of Ataturk. During the genocide itself, they were sheltered by their Turkish neighbors, and this is why, to this day, they hold a sense of gratitude towards them (friendly Turks). This is why I'm not so quick to perceive a common Turk as a savage murder who needs to be punished.

But when we speak to Turks on this forum, we must not scare them away with our rashness. We must explain to them our side of the story, and let them explain their side, whether or not it enlightens us. The purpose is to achieve a middleground, so discussion can be made. These discussions do not pacify our past at all, but at least it doesn't make us look like ignorant rats to the Turks. By ending their prejudice of Armenians being the bad guys, and by winning their respect instead, I think we'll gain more of an advantage when we try to make our actual ammends in the future. I acknowledge this is an unspeakable deed to be carried out by an Armenian, who is aware of the horrors of the genocide and the barbaric Turks who carried them out, however, we have no power as things stand. We do not need to feel any less angry at what the Turks did to us, but we must keep a civilized face, otherwise noone will listen to us except other angry Armenians, and alone, we have no power to make ammends.

[TomServo]

You can be the dark elf.

[karoaper]

Here is the proper perspective of viewing things:

This is us:




And that's them:

hehehehehe

arghhhhhhh, grrrrrrrr, hungry, must eat elven flesh

[skhara]

Here is the proper perspective of viewing things:

This is us:




And that's them:

[TomServo]

Chechens!

Mosque in Moscow. Catchy.

[skhara]

and deport Armenian people so that they can no longer pose a threat to the already weakened Ottoman State.

I don't see why turks whine about Russian treatment of Chechens. So far its been very gentle. The Kremlin government should be perfectly justified in rounding up and deporting the entire Chechen population from Chechnya into the middle of the Caspian Sea and end them as a threat to Russia's Caucasus security.

Then they can build a mosque in Moscow and say: "We love Chechens."

[skhara]

However, I don't see why we can't fight to educate the world about the Genocide and drag Turks' noses through their muck while we're strengthening Armenia and the global Armenian community.

The only benefit I see, is attacking Turkey on the stage of public opinion. That's perfectly fine with me. EU nations are using the Armenian Genocide as a weapon against Turks, that's perfectly fine with me.

know very well but are downright evil scum who say under their breath that Armenians deserved it

They may say it, but as Clint Eastwood said: "Deserve's got nothing to do with it" in a film called "Unforgiven". They do whats in their nature.

I see it as a clash of civilisations that has raged and continues to rage in Caucasia, Anatolia, and Balkans. I see Armenians as elves, and turds as orcs.