Armenian Patriarch Of Turkey Issues Bold Message On Genocide

[Armenian]

When we speak about corruption in Armenia , we don't talk about the people who are trying to steal each other in order to survive, we are taking about those counted in fingers ''businessmen'' who are literaly controling the economy and the parliament of Armenia,we saw that when they assasinated the members of the Parliament.

Those types of businessmen exist within all societies worldwide, therefore, Armenia is no exception. Worst corruption exists within America. The only difference is that when such things happen within Armenia, it is the average people who suffer. This is because Armenia is a small nation.

The assassinations of 1999 had nothing to do with corrupt Armenian businessmen.

This is the type of hysteria I am warned you folks against.

You will not have healthy Armenian government by starting vicious rumors and engaging in destructive criticism.

If it wasn't for the Soviet Union , Armenia would be a village.

I agree with you, however, its a two sided coin.

Certain Soviet Armenians used the structures of the Soviet Union to build-up a devastated Armenia. However, the Soviet Union destroyed Armenia spiritually.

[Red Brigade]

They are not '''vicious rumors'' and i am very suspicious of your's and of other Armenians who are depserately like sheeps trying to ''protect'' the state.I don't know what exactly are your roles in here.

Changes are going to happen to our country, and not good things shall happen to those traitors who harbor those few like dogs.Those who understood, undersrood.

This conversation is finnished.

[Armenian]

They are not '''vicious rumors'' and i am very suspicious of your's and of other Armenians who are depserately like sheeps trying to ''protect'' the state.I don't know what exactly are your roles in here.

They are nothing vicious rumors. Stop the paranoia. The assasinations were either the work of the Americans or the Russians.

Changes are going to happen to our country, and not good things shall happen to those traitors who harbor those few like dogs.Those who understood, undersrood.

Bad things need to happen to all traitors.

This conversation is finnished.

If you say so.

[bell-the-cat]

...not good things shall happen to those traitors who harbor those few like dogs.Those who understood, undersrood.

This conversation is finnished.

2 months from now, when looseyourname get round to "cleaning up" this thread, she'll probably ban you for the above.

[Red Brigade]

2 months from now, when looseyourname get round to "cleaning up" this thread, she'll probably ban you for the above.

So much the better, i shall have more free time.

[Ani_]

I don't see anything worthy of banning. You are entitled to your opinion even though others do not agree.

[bell-the-cat]

I don't see anything worthy of banning. You are entitled to your opinion even though others do not agree.

Seems someone saw something worthy of banning in something you wrote.

[Armenian]

Re: Armenian Patriarch Of Turkey Issues Bold Message On Genocide

Again, the Armenian community world wide is embarrassing itself for the sake of a few thousand Turkified Armenians in Istanbul.

The Istanbul Patriarchate has way out-lived its intended purpose. Its time to move the Patriarchate to France, Russia or even America.

And for those who say Bolsahais don't have a choice, I say they do!

If they can't be helpful to the Armenian nation because of where they live, then at the very least they should keep their mouths shut. Mutafian need not come to New York City to tell us all how wonderful Turks are and how nasty Armenians are in Armenia.

If Turks force these people to do what they do, then these folk should simply leave the country. And this is another reason why the Patriarchate needs to get shut down or moved. As far as I am concerned, any Armenian who willingly and happily lives within Turkey is a filthy bornik.

I will not allow some 30,000 Turkified Armenians, who, according to Mutafian himself have an intermarriage rate with Turks of over fifty percent, dictate foreign policy for the rest of us Armenians.

ARCHBISHOP MUTAFIAN, AGAIN TURKEY'S SPOKESPERSON

It is hard to figure out if Archbishop Mesrob Mutafian, Patriarch of Istanbul, is running scared of the Turks for whom he obviously has deep affection, or whether he simply opposes anything favorable for Armenia and Armenians in general. What is galling is the honor he is given in some newspapers as the "leader" of Armenians in Turkey. A leader of Armenians hopefully does not undermine leaders of the Armenian community, Armenian history or friends of Armenia. What the Turkey-fawning Mutafian fails to understand is that his words impact upon Armenians and non-Armenians around the world.

The Turks do not hesitate to splash his comments in international newspapers because Mutafian has become one of the favored Ankara-sponsored spokespersons in the world. Unfortunately, his title receives attention because most persons outside of Turkey do not know him or his style and assume that he really has deep concerns for Armenians and Armenia. It is assumed in too many places that because Mutafian bears an Armenian name that he lives Armenian pain, Armenian hopes and Armenian dreams as verbalized by most Armenians in general.

That he is now a lobbyist for the Turkish government has become very obvious. He has indicated many times that the 1.5 million Armenians slaughtered in the 1915 Genocide share responsibility with the butchers for their own deaths. Upon the departure from Armenia of French President Jacques Chirac, one of Mutafian's comments as he again kissed the Turkish hand was, "If Armenians did not lead separation actions... at least 10 million Armenians would live in Turkey today." He went on to say that Turkey would win a lot with that population.

It is interesting that he did not profess sorrow for the Genocide of Armenians. His main interest was that Turkey would have gained a lot if the murderers did not butcher the Armenians. It is hard to imagine that any honest person, much less an Armenian clergyman, has the audacity to state that the slaughtered Armenian babies, women, old people, young, sick, etc., were equally responsible with Talaat, Enver, Djemal and Nazim for the 1915 Genocide. Of course, Mutafian does not have the courage, or perhaps even the belief, to state that 1915 was genocide. Keep in mind that he castigated the Catholicos of All Armenians Karekin II for having done so during the latter's visit to Turkey some weeks ago.

Mutafian objected that Jacques Chirac advanced the Armenian Genocide as a pre-condition for Turkey's entrance into the European Union (EU). Mutafian stated that even if that is what President Chirac wants, "One must not forget that Louis Michael, the minister of Foreign Affairs of Belgium, decisively said that one must not put new political standards before Turkey for membership to the European Union." Is this person, Mr. Mutafian, supposed to be a religious leader or Turkey's lobbyist? Recalling that he traveled around Europe lobbying European politicians to allow his masters into the EU, he fits the description of a lobbyist.

Being a political lobbyist for Turkey, Mr. Mutafian said that Jacques Chirac's comment that "Turkey must recognize the Armenian Genocide for membership to the European Union" might be a "political precept." In his comments to the Turkish press, Mr. Mutafian advanced himself as a spokesperson for the Armenians of Turkey. One wonders who or what gives him the right to say that it would have been preferred if the French president attempted to create dialogue between Armenia and Turkey. For the most part, Armenians to whom I have spoken who were from Istanbul and now live in the US are embarrassed, dislike, or find excuses for the comments made by Mutafian.

Source: http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2006102601

More Turko-Armenian filth.

Hrant Dink: I will Say in France that 'there is no Armenian Genocide'

ISTANBUL - Armenian journalist Hrant Dink protests France' Armenian bill. Dink said that he will visit France and mention "there is no Armenian Genocide" to protest the Armenian bill. "I will do it for freedom of speech" Mr. Dink added. Source: http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=39946

[RSNATION]

Re: Armenian Patriarch Of Turkey Issues Bold Message On Genocide

Again, the Armenian community world wide is embarrassing itself for the sake of a few thousand Turkified Armenians in Istanbul.

The Istanbul Patriarchate has way out-lived its intended purpose. Its time to move the Patriarchate to France, Russia or even America.

And for those who say Bolsahais don't have a choice, I say they do!

If they can't be helpful to the Armenian nation because of where they live, then at the very least they should keep their mouths shut. Mutafian need not come to New York City to tell us all how wonderful Turks are and how nasty Armenians are in Armenia.

If Turks force these people to do what they do, then these folk should simply leave the country. And this is another reason why the Patriarchate needs to get shut down or moved. As far as I am concerned, any Armenian who willingly and happily lives within Turkey is a filthy bornik.

I will not allow some 30,000 Turkified Armenians, who, according to Mutafian himself have an intermarriage rate with Turks of over fifty percent, dictate foreign policy for the rest of us Armenians.



More Turko-Armenian filth.

Mutafian is a scumbag. The least he could do is keep his mouth shut and just be priest.

[Osttruppen]

Re: Armenian Patriarch Of Turkey Issues Bold Message On Genocide

Do we really need a patriarch in that country? Cant Catholicos just disband that titul? This is kind of stupid, that Mutafian is the "vassal" of our Catholicus, but Catholicus doesnt have any influence on him, Mutafian speaks xxxx all the time, what would French people think about Armenians? Their National Assembly accepted that law, but an "Armenian" with that high rank tells such a crap