Courageous Armenian Priest Challenges Turks on Turkish TV!

[thinktwice]

LOL you making me laugh...

Michael M. Gunter
Louise Nalbandian
Mim Kemal Oke
Malcolm E. Yapp
Ayhan Ozer
John Dewey
Turkkaya Ataov

Do i have to write down more?
Sure i don't need it you can find out if you want...

I have to remind you that there are 72 million people consist of Turks, Kurds, Armenians and others living in Turkiye. Sure we have different minded people and we are listening each other not like you. You find one historian and one author congratulations...

[winoman]

We investigating our history from archives and archives all around the world.

Look - thinktwice - it is obvious that you have only ever had two thoughts in your head your whole life (and they were likely told to you by your momma) - Your momma told you "you are a Turk" and you thought - yes I am...I must be...then she told you "you are proud to be a Turk" and you said - I is - aren't we all?...after that it has all aprently been a blank - a life of affirmation of the to basic facts of your life.

BTW please cite specific historians - what archives they researched - and what you claim - specifically - that they claim to have found. Then cite corroberative scholarship that supports such claims. Other then that your verbal diarrea is just a bunch of Turkey talk. Gobble gobble gobble...

[winoman]

hmm - now lets see (andthis is just the tip of the iceberg buster)

not that we need to prove anything to you - one who hasn't the capability to comprehend...

INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GENOCIDE SCHOLARS

President: Robert Melson (USA) Vice-President: Israel Charny (Israel) Secretary-Treasurer: Steven Jacobs (USA)

Respond to: Robert Melson, Professor of Political Science Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN 47907 USA


April 6, 2005


Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan TC Easbakanlik Bakanlikir Ankara, Turkey FAX: 90 312 417 0476

Dear Prime Minister Erdogan:

We are writing you this open letter in response to your call for an "impartial study by historians" concerning the fate of the Armenian people in the Ottoman Empire during World War I.

We represent the major body of scholars who study genocide in North America and Europe. We are concerned that in calling for an impartial study of the Armenian Genocide you may not be fully aware of the extent of the scholarly and intellectual record on the Armenian Genocide and how this event conforms to the definition of the United Nations Genocide Convention. We want to underscore that it is not just Armenians who are affirming the Armenian Genocide but it is hundreds of independent scholars, who have no affiliations with governments, and whose work spans many countries and nationalities and the course of decades. The scholarly evidence reveals the following:

On April 24, 1915, under cover of World War I, the Young Turk government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens an unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. Another million fled into permanent exile. Thus an ancient civilization was expunged from its homeland of 2,500 years.

The Armenian Genocide was the most well-known human rights issue of its time and was reported regularly in newspapers across the United States and Europe. The Armenian Genocide is abundantly documented by thousands of official records of the United States and nations around the world including Turkey's wartime allies Germany, Austria and Hungary, by Ottoman court-martial records, by eyewitness accounts of missionaries and diplomats, by the testimony of survivors, and by decades of historical scholarship.

The Armenian Genocide is corroborated by the international scholarly, legal, and human rights community:

1) Polish jurist Raphael Lemkin, when he coined the term genocide in 1944, cited the Turkish extermination of the Armenians and the Nazi extermination of the Jews as defining examples of what he meant by genocide.

2) The killings of the Armenians is genocide as defined by the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

3) In 1997 the International Association of Genocide Scholars, an organization of the world's foremost experts on genocide, unanimously passed a formal resolution affirming the Armenian Genocide.

4) 126 leading scholars of the Holocaust including Elie Wiesel and Yehuda Bauer placed a statement in the New York Times in June 2000 declaring the "incontestable fact of the Armenian Genocide" and urging western democracies to acknowledge it.

5) The Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide (Jerusalem), the Institute for the Study of Genocide (NYC) have affirmed the historical fact of the Armenian Genocide.

6) Leading texts in the international law of genocide such as William A. Schabas's Genocide in International Law (Cambridge University Press, 2000) cite the Armenian Genocide as a precursor to the Holocaust and as a precedent for the law on crimes against humanity.

We note that there may be differing interpretations of genocide - how and why the Armenian Genocide happened, but to deny its factual and moral reality as genocide is not to engage in scholarship but in propaganda and efforts to absolve the perpetrator, blame the victims, and erase the ethical meaning of this history.

We would also note that scholars who advise your government and who are affiliated in other ways with your state-controlled institutions are not impartial. Such so-called "scholars" work to serve the agenda of historical and moral obfuscation when they advise you and the Turkish Parliament on how to deny the Armenian Genocide.

We believe that it is clearly in the interest of the Turkish people and their future as a proud and equal participant in international, democratic discourse to acknowledge the responsibility of a previous government for the genocide of the Armenian people, just as the German government and people have done in the case of the Holocaust.

Sincerely,

[signed] Robert Melson Professor of Political Science President, International Association of Genocide Scholars

[signed] Israel Charny Vice President, International Association of Genocide Scholars Editor in Chief, Encyclopedia of Genocide

[signed] Peter Balakian Donald M. and Constance H. Rebar Professor of the Humanities Colgate University

[thinktwice]

Can you tell me why don't you move this so-called genocide to international law suits?

Instead of historical researches why are you trying to lobby such a lie all around the world?

[winoman]

LOL you making me laugh...

Michael M. Gunter
Louise Nalbandian
Mim Kemal Oke
Malcolm E. Yapp
Ayhan Ozer
John Dewey
Turkkaya Ataov

Do i have to write down more?
Sure i don't need it you can find out if you want.....

You have a very low threshold for who you consider to be "scholars" or "historians" - these are not it...then again Kurds are "mountain Turks" aren't they and they Turks all came from Mu.

[CatWoman]

LOL you making me laugh...

Michael M. Gunter
Louise Nalbandian
Mim Kemal Oke
Malcolm E. Yapp
Ayhan Ozer
John Dewey
Turkkaya Ataov

Do i have to write down more?
Sure i don't need it you can find out if you want...

I have to remind you that there are 72 million people consist of Turks, Kurds, Armenians and others living in Turkiye. Sure we have different minded people and we are listening each other not like you. You find one historian and one author congratulations...

Okay, be sure of the people you name, before you name them.

Louise Nalbandian never denied the genocide. She talked about the Armenian Revolutionary movement.

Turkkaya Ataov is Turkish.
Ayhan Ozer, Turkish as well.
Mim Kemal Oke, Turkish as well.
Michael M. Gunter is not a historian.

so yes, you're gonna have to name others. This time, make sure the persons are 1-historians, 2-not Turkish.

I'm waiting...

[thinktwice]

BTW please cite specific historians - what archives they researched - and what you claim - specifically - that they claim to have found. Then cite corroberative scholarship that supports such claims. Other then that your verbal diarrea is just a bunch of Turkey talk. Gobble gobble gobble...

Oh our history professors just a bunch and yours are ok. Come on...

[winoman]

Can you tell me why don't you move this so-called genocide to international law suits?

Instead of historical researches why are you trying to lobby such a lie all around the world?

My don't you look stupid...but nothing like you will feel when your nation is finally called to task..

UN has already determined that your nation commited Genocide:

In 1985 the United Nations Economic and Social Council Commission on Human Rights Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities released this following findings: (this is an excerpt with my highlights)

“…the distinguishing characteristics of the twentieth century in evolving the development of genocide "are that it is committed in cold blood by the deliberate fiat of holders of despotic political power, and that the perpetrators of genocide employ all the resources of present-day technology and organization to make their planned massacres systematic and complete". The Nazi aberration has unfortunately not been the only case of genocide in the twentieth century. Among other examples which can be cited as qualifying are the German massacre of Hereros in 1904, the Ottoman massacre of Armenians in 1915-1916, the Ukrainian pogrom of Jews in 1919, the Tutsi massacre of Hutu in Burundi in 1965 and 1972, the Paraguayan massacre of Ache Indians prior to 1974,16 the Khmer Rouge massacre in Kampuchea between 1975 and 1978, and the contemporary Iranian killings of Baha'is.

Additionally (the footnote):

At least 1 million, and possibly well over half of the Armenian population, are reliably estimated to have been killed or death marched by independent authorities and eye-witnesses. This is corroborated by reports in United States, German and British archives and of contemporary diplomats in the Ottoman Empire, including those of its ally Germany. The German Ambassador, Wangenheim, for example, on 7 July 1915 wrote "the government is indeed pursuing its goal of exterminating the Armenian race in the Ottoman Empire" (Wilhelmstrasse archives).”

and:

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/Affirmation.66/current_category.5/affirmation_detail.html

(oh and please do read this one...you can read can't you?)

[winoman]

Oh our history professors just a bunch and yours are ok. Come on...

more gobble gobble - please answer the question. How are we to judge credibility - that you aren't just making it all up - if you can't cite specific sources and quotes for your claims? Otherwise its just gobble gobbel -I mean are you really trying to convince us - or does this sort of thing (gobble gobble...etc) - and beheading Kurds and such - just give you a hard on?

[thinktwice]

Can you tell me why don't you move this so-called genocide to international law suits?

Instead of historical researches why are you trying to lobby such a lie all around the world?

still waiting for answer...