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Quite a joke - these are not archives - they are a Turkish after the fact politically motivated analysis that does not hold up to any scholarly overview - pathetic really.
Do you not understand that the more you craft such denial the worse your (no) "case" actually gets? These things may fool the ignorant - but all of this has already been thorougly analised. Aparently you and those pushing this lack the sophistication to understand how the actual Genocide was undertaken - with secret orders to party aparatus - and these "we are taking good care of the Armenains" type of thing was a cover to attempt to whitewash these henious acts to the world - BTW - no one was buying it - and not even (Ottoman allies) the Germans. Consult their archives for the true story. As the actions and results of the Genocide - and admissions and documentary evidence have already been collected to show all of this explanatory stuff was just a whitewash - I really don't see the point of you trumpiting it here again. Don't you understand what you are doing? You are now accomplice to the Genocide and a laughing stock to boot.
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Originally posted by thinktwiceI'm showing you the real archive site of government "gov.tr" and you calling them propaganda
What can i say.... I think you are the one of the farrrr ignorant of all- yeah...
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Oh yeah and you are aware of archive investigations in 1985 right? Actually you were there when Turks making preparations right?
Maybe you can tell me which parts didn't consider to "open" by academia?
And you are telling me that we are giving you wrong archives and twisting everything, writing whole history again in archives? omg you are ignorant of all the time...
Come on show me your archives... do you have any on web? Come on...Last edited by thinktwice; 05-09-2005, 08:17 AM.Question to brainless diaspora freak: where are your archives?
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No Brain No Gain Armenian...
Lets do some research...
First we see author Ara Sarafian.
Ara Sarafian is an Armenian editor/compiler and founder of Gomidas Institute.
When we look at Gomidas Institute (located in UK) books they are all about so-called genocide nice archive of 10 books or so for diaspora (didn't find any Turk's or supporter's books in UK originated Institute strange...)
Lets check out some history of Ara Sarafian before going deeper in his fable...
From his writings (Nov/Dec 2001 An Interview with Historian Ara Sarafian by Jason Sohigian)
"Although I was not working on the Genocide, I still found a critical absence of materials."
It's so strange one Armenian not working on genocide and i think he was just passing by from Ottoman Archives. maybe someone should ask him what was he investigating there? And one other question... could he read archives and does he know Ottoman Empire's national language because we know it was arabic-persian mixed language (title of book do not prove me anything)...
"As you know, in the last few years, I have been working with Vincent Lima in developing the Gomidas Institute and its flagship journal, Armenian Forum. The institute organizes seminars, lectures, and exhibitions, screens films, promotes scholarship, and publishes books. In fact, the Gomidas Institute has become the largest publisher of English-language books related to Armenians."
We see Sarafian is great historian of Turks and Armenians right? What we know is real historian look at all sides of a story, and convey their results in a dispassionate way. Do you feel Sarafian is unbiased. No i don't think so...
"Regarding the available materials that I have seen, there are some good records to work with--if you know what you are looking for--but the archives have certainly been vetted and collections remain incomplete. Much material on the Genocide has simply not been declassified, despite the promises of the Turkish state to make such records readily available to researchers. Sometimes entire categories of records are inaccessible even though they are listed in the archives' catalogues"
I know how is he looking to archives. Just looking for any piece of clue to twist but he couldn't even find it because Ottoman Archives solid as rock and they are writing "Tehcir" not genocide in any means. And empire didn't have to declassify so-called genocide. Ottoman archives just writing revolts and judgement of rebellion people since 1877.
See diaspora? There is a medallion and how is Ara Sarafian looking...
If Ottoman Archives are there and opened common they cannot be false or rewritten right? You say they are not widely opened... and you have denial everytime right? I want to ask you Armenians, where are your armenian and your supporters widely opened archives? To be honest ask yourself... is it fair?
I'll further investigate his fable "Ottoman Archives Debate" soon. And be right back diaspora...Question to brainless diaspora freak: where are your archives?
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A so-called "Turk" proves that no genocide took place. I'm shocked.
Since you already seem to have all the answer, why do you still come here, think 100 times before opening your big mouth? You know you can't convince Armenians with your so-called "proof", so why bother wasting your time on them?
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