Ottoman Archives...

[thinktwice]

we dont celebrate that day we commemorate it... that is the day the turkish governemnt SIGNED into order and had the LARGEST gathering of the Armenian intelligentsia jailed and them MURDERED!!! and the major killings happened after that point...

why did they arrested and find guilty?

he trusted me because i was armenian

LOL he must be blind...

still my question has not been answered...

Which question are you telling me?

the man i refer to you above was one of the richest people in turkey... i was in charge of the accounting and had signature authority to his key west bank accounts...

poor little armenian we, you and world have enough rich men with genocide material...

AND HE WAS SORRY! FOR THE GENOCIDE!

I'm not as you see.

i think he may have been affiliated with the SWEDISH turks who have sent letters to turkey asking them to please recognize this crime because it is true and that they are ashamed of it in europe...

We all know terrible renowned swedish turks....

[Anonymouse]

Maybe you should go and ask that Turkish person what does he know about history and happenings?

Do you know why are you celebrating april 24th? What happened that day? and Why it happened?

So when a Turk himself comes to his own conclusion using his own brain to understand that the Turkish government committed genocide, it is not acceptable? Surely he must have done something wrong. If you are a Turk it means you must necessarily believe that the Turkish government could do no such thing.

[thinktwice]

So when a Turk himself comes to his own conclusion using his own brain to understand that the Turkish government committed genocide, it is not acceptable? Surely he must have done something wrong. If you are a Turk it means you must necessarily believe that the Turkish government could do no such thing.

Sorry poor little armenian i don't have any bone to throw, go play yourself...

[TomServo]

Sorry poor little armenian i don't have any bone to throw, go play yourself...

Brilliant response. Golden fez for you.

[since1453]

AN ANSWER TO THE ARMENIAN ALLEGATION OF GENOCIDE

During the 1st World War while the Ottoman Army was fighting against the Russians in the Eastern Anatolia, it was loosing blood due to the attacks of Armenian guerillas inside, behind the fronts. The Russian Tsar, who desired to conquer the Eastern Anatolia to gain a corridor towards Mediterranean, had provided all kinds of support Armenian rebellions. The Armenian guerillas attacked the Turkish and Kurdish Muslims, killed them and forced them to leave their homelands. During these attacks about 600 thousand Muslims died while escaping from Armenian rebellions.

All warnings of the Ottoman Administration to Armenians to quit the rebellion were fruitless and at April 24, 1915 Ottoman Administrators started to close Armenian Associations and arrested their leaders. Even these measures could not able to settle down the rebellions, the Empire set a new law to move the Eastern Armenians to Iraq, Syria and Lebanon which were within the territories of the Ottoman Empire.

Armenian Government and Diaspora claim that 1.5 million of Armenians were under Genocide. Whereas according to the census at the beginning of 1914, the total Armenian population in the Ottoman Empire was 1.260.000 all over the country including the Western Anatolia and Istanbul.

During the migration, it is the fact that thousands of Armenians had lost their lives because of difficulties of transportation, starvation and illness; just as the Muslims who had to leave their homes to escape from the Armenian massacre. But there was no Genocide. The Turkish Republic has opened the Ottoman Archives for the researches to present the realities in the global arena. We expect Armenia, England, France, Russia and USA to open their own archives to the world too.

The 82 years old young Turkish Republic was founded on the grounds of these treaties below:

December 2/3,1920 Gümrü Treaty with Armenia,

March 16, 1921 Moscow Treaty with Soviet Union,

October 13, 1921 Kars Treaty with Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan.

October 20, 1921 Ankara Treaty with France,

July 24, 1923 Lausanne Treaty with all the interested countries ( including England, France, Italy, Japan, Greece and Bulgaria)

There were no Genocide allegations in these Treaties. From the perspective of Turkish Republic, these allegations are evaluated as a shameful claim in order to agitate prestige of her and to pluck political concessions from Turkey.

The Statements existing in the Constitution of Armenia, Turkey’s eastern neighbor, threatening the territorial integrity Turkish Republic; fostering Turkish Enmity in schools, ,in churches and in diplomacy through provocations; the fact that the neighbor Azerbaijani lands are under Armenian occupation since the last 12 years; the fact that more than one million Azeri citizens struggle to live in status of refugee who had to escape from the Armenian occupation have a negative impact on Regional and Global peace and stability. These international problems have to be resolved instead of relying on Armenian slanders.

Reported to the USA Congress and the EU Parliament with Respect.

***SİNCE 1453***

[nunechka]

i would like to point out the most important thing... i have done it before, but AGAIN!

YOU (*urks) are the ones in the Armenian forum! not the other way around... you have guily thoughts, you know there is something terrible about your government and so you try and further drill in your head the lies they have taught you... so you come to Armenian chat rooms, or foums, etc... and post your silly thoughts...

if you did not have a problem with us then you would not be here... if there was nothing wrong, then you would not be here... if you didnt have so many mixed feelings about this subject, you wouldnt be reading our threads...

some of you even sit there and read what we say to each other... I feel like you are stalking us... its pretty strange...

do you also do this at the greek forums??? i bet you do... as a matter of fact someone has said that they do... so there you have it...

case is closed!

[winoman]

First we see author Ara Sarafian.... could he read archives and does he know Ottoman Empire's national language because we know it was arabic-persian mixed language

hm - as a matter of fact yes he does read the arabic written Ottoman!

And look here - there is a Turkish researcher who can read Armenian and he is given free and open access to the Armenian archives:

RFE/RL May 11, 2005

Turkish Scholar Uses Armenian Archives For Ottoman History Research

By Gayane Danielian

Yeftan Turkyilmaz is the first and so far the only Turkish scholar given
access to Armenia's state archives and he believes the reason for that
is more simple than one might think.

`There are no people in Turkey who can work with these archives,' the
young doctoral candidate explains in perfect Armenian. `I just don't
know of any other Turkish scholar who speaks Armenian. That is the main
obstacle.'

Turkyilmaz, who was taught the language by an Armenian teacher in
Istanbul, pursues a Ph. D. in history at the University of North
Carolina. His doctoral thesis will focus on the creation and activities
of Turkish, Kurdish and Armenian nationalist parties during the final
decades of the Ottoman Empire. He began looking for relevant documents
kept at the Armenian National Archive on May 2 and says he has had no
trouble accessing and photocopying them.

`Interestingly, people in Turkey believe that Armenia's archives are
closed, especially for Turkish citizens,' says Turkyilmaz. `That is not
true. Here I am easily working with them.'

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is certainly one of those
people. As part of his government's efforts to counter international
pressure for Turkish recognition of the 1915 mass killings and
deportations of Ottoman Armenians as genocide, Erdogan has repeatedly
stated in recent weeks that Ankara has declassified its Ottoman-era
archives and urged Yerevan to follow suit.

Armenia, however, maintains that its archives have always been open to
Turkish and other foreign researchers. `Many foreign scholars have used
them to date and none of them was Turkish,' an Armenian Foreign Ministry
spokesman said just days before Turkyilmaz arrived in Yerevan.

The Armenian archive director, Amatuni Virabian, reiterated in an RFE/RL interview this week that any Turkish scholar can have unfettered access to its approximately 12,000 genocide-related documents. Most of them contain information on tens of thousands of genocide survivors that
found refuge in Armenia between 1915 and 1918.

Turkyilmaz says that as far he is concerned, Virabian and other Armenian
archive officials have been true to their words. `They have helped me a
lot and I have no problems interacting with them,' he tells RFE/RL.

Armenian historians, for their part, remain skeptical about Turkey's
regular pledges to open its Ottoman-era archives. They also suggest that
the Turkish archives have long been purged of any incriminating
evidence.

`Sadly, young people in Turkey know nothing about the subject,'
Turkyilmaz says. `All they know is nationalist things written in school
textbooks. And because they lack that knowledge, they believe that the
Armenians plot bad things against their country.'

Will Turkey recognize the Armenian genocide in the near future? `No, it
won't,' says the Turkish scholar. `But maybe future generations will
address the subject in a more reasonable and calm manner.'

[karakitap]

Firstly, why are the moderators so quick to ban the Turks who don't insult anybody in the forum? You can not debate anything with these tricks and believe me that by banning Turks when you feel youself uncomfortable you seem worse from outside.
Second, as the probably only person in this forum who can read and understand Ottoman archives I can say that there are about 12 millions of non-read documents at Ottoman archives and there must be at least thousands of non-read documents about deportation including telegrams, local regulations, correspondances, etc. And since 5 or 6 years ago these archives are opened to all researcers. I went to archive building at Istanbul just once and saw a lot of people from all over the world. It is not possible to ban the accession of the archives or searching only pre-read documents because you have an access to the unread documents and sometimes you can be the first person to read that document. So nobody can claim that Ottoman arcives are unbiased, at least this is what I honestly know. If you have a serious opposition to that please inform me about the real situation. But don't make cheap propoganda.

[winoman]

Firstly, why are the moderators so quick to ban the Turks who don't insult anybody in the forum? You can not debate anything with these tricks and believe me that by banning Turks when you feel youself uncomfortable you seem worse from outside.
Second, as the probably only person in this forum who can read and understand Ottoman archives I can say that there are about 12 millions of non-read documents at Ottoman archives and there must be at least thousands of non-read documents about deportation including telegrams, local regulations, correspondances, etc. And since 5 or 6 years ago these archives are opened to all researcers. I went to archive building at Istanbul just once and saw a lot of people from all over the world. It is not possible to ban the accession of the archives or searching only pre-read documents because you have an access to the unread documents and sometimes you can be the first person to read that document. So nobody can claim that Ottoman arcives are unbiased, at least this is what I honestly know. If you have a serious opposition to that please inform me about the real situation. But don't make cheap propoganda.

liar!

[karakitap]

liar!

This one is very cheap. Is this all you can say? Why don't you write one of your long essays? Do you feel uncomfortable? Do you like some wine to relax?