do you really believe...

[TomServo]

to live in a dream world.... !!! How a big insult... ohhhh ... sorryyyy forgive me....

is this the insult of mine, that all you could find to legitimete your insults that i can not write here... ?

I just looked at your birthdate and you're almost thirty. Act your age.

Just look at all of your posts. They mock Armenia or Armenians in some way. All you seem to do is head to the genocide forum and spread your venom. At least TUR-Friend stayed around to chat (and spoke English fluently).

[sadi]

it seems that you have none to write about insulting... You are jumping to another irrelevant thing...

What can i do for one writing that "to live in a dream world" is an insult...

the only thing is to behave like a child !!!!!!!!!

[winoman]

Another reflection of ignorance or being brainwashed...

Turks generally know this... Turks know also that nearly 200 officers were found quilty of mistreatment of Armenians and they all executed! If there have been an order to execute all Armenians ... how could the millitary courts have found those quilty? And,if there was an order to execute... be sure that none of the Armenians deported could reach Syria!Those Armenians could not even see out of their villages...

If you read the correspondence from the 3rd Army commander to the Government in Istanbul you will see that the complaint about these officers - who were overseaing irregulars of the Special Organization - was that they not only were killing Armenians but were killing Turks and burning and pludering Turkish villages. These units were taken outside of Army control and the Army actually wished that they be disbanded - in fact their leader in the Eastern Provinced Dr Sakir was court marshallled at least twice - but each time the CUP managed to move him away to prevent prosecution - likewise the CUP took direct control of the Special organization irregulars from the Army and issued their orders under the secret cipher of the Interior Ministry (Talat). Thus - these officers (as well as a number of irregular troops - something like 1,000 of them i think) who were supposedly punished for acts against the Armenians (CUP tried to claim this for propoganda purposes) - instead it can be seen that it was their actions against fellow Turks that caused the ire of the military commanders - who had to dispatch regular units to track them down. Additionally - when Sakir was first recalled from the East in Feb/March 1915 under inditement from the Army for commiting atrocities against Muslim villages - he appeared in Istanbul and presented false accusations that it was Armenian gangs and not his Special Organization Chettes who were responsible - thus precipitating the CUP pomulagation of the deportation orders (giving a public rational for such) and at the same time whitewashing the fact that it was CUP directed operations and thugs who had gotten ovzealous and greedy who were in fact responsible for these crimes. The correspondence from the Turkish Army commanders is most clear on this matter.

[winoman]

And,if there was an order to execute... be sure that none of the Armenians deported could reach Syria!Those Armenians could not even see out of their villages...

Consul Leslie Davis to Ambassador Henry Morgenthau, Harpoot, 24 July 1915. United States Official records on the Armenian Genocide 1915-1917, pp. 461, doc. NA/RG59/867.4016/269 :

“Any doubt that may have been expressed in previous reports as to the Government’s intentions in sending away the Armenians have been removed and any hope that may have been expressed as to the possibility of some of them surviving have been destroyed. It has been no secret that the plan was to destroy the Armenian race as a race…”


Besides the Ottoman Government revelaed these secret orders just after the war during the trials of the CUP leaders (Ottoman Military Tribunals)


Dr. Martin Niepage - German teacher in Alleppo Syria - sep 1915 - May 1916
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When I returned to Aleppo in September, 1915, from a three months' holiday at Beirout, I heard with horror that a new phase of Armenian massacres had begun which were far more terrible than the earlier massacres under Abd-ul-Hamid, and which aimed at exterminating, root and branch, the intelligent, industrious, and progressive Armenian nation, and at transferring its property to Turkish hands.

Such monstrous news left me at first incredulous. I was told that, in various quarters of Aleppo, there were lying masses of half-starved people, the survivors of so-called "deportation convoys." (my note - so we find the source of the Turk's "so-called") In order, I was told, to cover the extermination of the Armenian nation with a political cloak, military reasons were being put forward, which were said to make it necessary to drive the Armenians out of their native seats, which had been theirs for 2,500 years, and to deport them to the Arabian deserts

After I had informed myself about the facts and had made enquiries on all sides, I came to the conclusion that all these accusations against the Armenians were, in fact, based on trifling provocations, which were taken as an excuse for slaughtering 10,000 innocents for one guilty person, for the most savage outrages against women and children, and for a campaign of starvation against the exiles which was intended to exterminate the whole nation.

A newspaper reporter was told by one of these gentlemen "Certainly we are now punishing many innocent people as well. But we have to guard ourselves even against those who may one day become guilty." On such grounds Turkish statesmen justify the wholesale slaughter of defenceless women and children. A German Catholic ecclesiastic reported that Enver Pasha declared, in the presence of Monsignore Dolci, the Papal Envoy at Constantinople, that he would not rest so long as a single Armenian remained alive.

The object of the deportations is the extermination of the whole Armenian nation.

[karakitap]

I just looked at your birthdate and you're almost thirty. Act your age.

Just look at all of your posts. They mock Armenia or Armenians in some way. All you seem to do is head to the genocide forum and spread your venom. At least TUR-Friend stayed around to chat (and spoke English fluently).

About speaking fluently: we are Turkish people who live in Turkey. English is not our mother language. Assimiliating under other cultures like you is not our way of living. Ibelieve I speak sufficient English. Before recommend us to learn English you learn Armenian. Most of your community even don't know their own language.

[TomServo]

About speaking fluently: we are Turkish people who live in Turkey. English is not our mother language. Assimiliating under other cultures like you is not our way of living. Ibelieve I speak sufficient English. Before recommend us to learn English you learn Armenian. Most of your community even don't know their own language.

Hayeren shad lav kidem. Haygagan tbrotz katsadz em.

And you do know that there are more than two million Turks in Germany? They've assimilated nicely. They also have many people in Canada as well as the United States.

[karakitap]

Hayeren shad lav kidem. Haygagan tbrotz katsadz em.

And you do know that there are more than two million Turks in Germany? They've assimilated nicely. They also have many people in Canada as well as the United States.

No they don't. Only your poor people are assimilated and this "genocide" remained only link with your Armenian identity. It is a very pathetic situation for you since you can not be a real nation only with these myths.

[winoman]

No they don't. Only your poor people are assimilated and this "genocide" remained only link with your Armenian identity. It is a very pathetic situation for you since you can not be a real nation only with these myths.

I find it most funny that in their guilt various Turks commonly attribute to Armenians what is much more applicable to the Turks themselves - only another example of that here...


"What the Klingon says is unimportant, and we do not hear his words" - Dr Leornard McCoy - Stardate 5207

[karakitap]

I find it most funny that in their guilt various Turks commonly attribute to Armenians what is much more applicable to the Turks themselves - only another example of that here...


"What the Klingon says is unimportant, and we do not hear his words" - Dr Leornard McCoy - Stardate 5207

So you feel yourself uncomfortable again?
OK,wini we killed you. You are victim. Happy now?
So how much money and land do you want for these people?
What do you want? What is the reason of all these copy/paste thing?
Do you just want to be popular like jews or do you want to be rich?
Or do you want to be a real nation by this "genocide"?
What is your aim?
Ladies and gentlemen, the first genocide is the armenian genocide, armenians are like jews, they are victims, they are raped, and they accept christianity first. And they have Ani and Ararat. Thats all. Oh sorry, also once upon a time there was an armenian kingdom and everyone was happy.
How pathetic

[winoman]

How pathetic

Here I agree. You have come here to this forum and spouted off your ignorance and stupidity and then think you are deserved answers to your questions? That I need to explain myself to you! Please explain your pathetic presence here - just what are you bringing here that is so relevant and enlightening? You have not once shown yourself capable of digesting relevant information. You come here and spout - No it never happened - in the face of all proof - and just keep spouting away...thus -

"What the Klingon says is unimportant, and we do not hear his words" - Dr Leornard McCoy - Stardate 5207

...is all that you deserve...oh yes and F U c*cksucker!