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  • #11
    I believe we can handle the preassure as we did before. And i think you are exaggerating those future preassures because i believe good nations that support Armenians are pure capitalists. Not that we like it but we are well trained about preassure by our beloved and heavenly government

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    • #12
      If Turkey does want to become honest good friends again, and does accept the Genocide, giving some lands back isn't such a bad move.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Armenian

        kakakitab,Turds like you will get exterminated, for you represent every thing vile in Anatolia.

        I had thought that there were no nation got by the disease of "fascism".Last,white Americans were saved themselves from this ilness.But,i think now that ,to a great extent,Armenians are captive to fascism...

        la la lalaaa...
        first class people....: Armeniaaaannsss..... oleyyyyyy
        the second one ....bala bla blaaaa
        ....
        ....
        ...........
        ohhh....what a pity.... who is in the last class.... they are primitive...they are inferior.....whooo....
        Ohhh...Turks.......



        I am making fun really...This can't be real....

        But,but....

        Ohh no...

        this is real for many armenians...... This is no fun.


        ( I am mentioning of these kind of pathologic Armenians to my friends. you can't imagine how they are laughing to those the last fascists on the earth....

        Yes,you are priviledged men on the earth with no match...
        Last edited by sadi; 06-04-2005, 09:48 AM.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Thai-Samurai
          If Turkey does want to become honest good friends again, and does accept the Genocide, giving some lands back isn't such a bad move.
          Giving the lands back.... Ohhh....Are you living on the earth...

          Stalin could not even take these lands from us in the aftermath of the WW2.We had few millitary resources then against the USSR.

          Now,ohhhh ....i cant write .....

          You Armenians ,first ,defend the lands you took from little Azerbaijan.They are looking for the revenge.They have started to earn money.They are building an Army.....

          Don't live in dreamworld...

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          • #15
            Originally posted by sadi
            You Armenians ,first ,defend the lands you took from little Azerbaijan.They are looking for the revenge.They have started to earn money.They are building an Army.....

            Don't live in dreamworld...
            Firstly, moral around Karabakh for Azeris is pretty low, people just aren't willing to get up and fight for it. Secondly, if the Azeris get so rich off of oil, they're not going to want to fight even more. Who's going to want to go to some Azeri border outpost and fight for it when there's money to be made off of oil at home? Just look at America, for the most part the better off people are, the less they want to fight. Just because one has money doesn't change the fact people aren't interested in fighting anymore, the only way the money will have a big affect on the number in the army is perhaps by using it to hire a much more of those Taliban members to fight, seeing as Azerbaijan is such a valued member of the War on Terror...
            Besides, if Azeribaijan wants to lose Karabakh for good, all they have to do is invade it and kill a bunch of people. Then, while I don't always trust the international community to serve justice, Azerbaijan will have no favor with the major powers who have warned it time and time again not to resume hostilities. Even if they win some of it back, the eventual settlement will not be in Azerbaijan's favor because they were the ones who resumed the war.

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            • #16
              Some very revealing commentary from one of Armenia's wealthiest and most influential political activists.

              Armenian

              CHAIRMAN OF WAC ARA ABRAHAMIAN SHARING WITH HIS THOUGHTS ON RUSSIA, DEMOCRACY AND ARMENIAN-TURKISH RELATIONS


              -Is that possible that an "orange" revolution will take place in Armenia?

              - I think today's situation in Armenia is hardly favorable for such a revolution. It usually comes with elections. There is still much time for parliamentary and presidential elections in Armenia. It is important for an "orange" revolution that there is a united opposition with one leader. It also requires involvement of external powers and weak and disunited authorities. Many elements that go hand in hand with "orange" revolution are absent in Armenia. Besides, Armenia's political elite understands that there is the Nagorno Karabakh issue which may suffer in case of political crises. Thus, the opposition does not neglect Karabakh issue while defining its stance against the authorities. But, as President Bush said in his speech at the International Republican, USA will perhaps back suchlike revolutions and regime changes in the South Caucasus and Central Asia. I want to believe that he meant Georgia and Azerbaijan but not Armenia. I think neither the US nor Russia are interested to see revolution in Armenia.

              - How do you see Nagorno Karabakh conflict resolution?

              - The resolution is obvious for us, Armenians. We certainly would like to set right the historic injustice, when ancient Armenian region was deliberately handed over to Azerbaijan by the Party's decision -- a decision that no one had right to take. For us it is obvious that Nagorno Karabakh is part of Armenia. By making concession, I think it would be possible to recognize Karabakh a sovereign unite, a small state, which will have good-neighborly relations with Azerbaijan and close brotherly ties with Armenia. The Minsk group co-chairs make different offers to push the settlement forward. But it's not the time and the place for detailed discussion of these offers, particularly in case when they are not thoroughly elaborated.

              - Is that possible that the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan will break out?

              - That threat is always hanging, as Azerbaijan is getting ready for parliamentary elections in November. If the opposition exerts too much pressure the authorities may provoke break of the truce in order to unite the nation and keep the opposition away from taking the wheel. Much will depend on America's and Russia's behavior. Will they take a tough position not to allow a war that will destabilize the region? In view of the newly built Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, such destabilization would play into hands of neither oil companies nor the Western states with their huge investments in the pipeline.

              - What do you think of Turkish Prime Minister's letter to Armenian President with a proposal of a joint Armenian-Turkish group to study archive documents connected with the events in the beginning of 20th century?

              - I think that the fact of Turkish Prime Minister's appeal to Armenian President should be greeted. Unfortunately, Turkey takes such steps only after feeling international community's pressure. Without Washington's pressure that would be no Turkish-Armenian Reconciliation Commission. Without European Union's pressure, without European Parliament's precondition of Armenian Genocide recognition the Turkish side would hardly take any step to remove that painful issue which separates the two nations.

              I think that Armenian President is right saying that it is not the time to discuss archive documents and that it is not an issue for the historians to study. Today the Armenian-Turkish relations are a political issue. Politicians and diplomats have to treat it but not the historians.

              At any rate, Armenian side has no doubt that there was a genocide. No Armenians are left in our historic homeland, their property was appropriated, many monuments were ruined and the people spread all over the world. It's ridiculous to return to historical studies today when 2 dozens of states and international organizations recognize the Armenian Genocide.

              - How do you see the improvement of Armenian-Turkish relations?

              - I think that those relations should improve based on the international law and should include a few elements: Genocide recognition by Turkey, material reparation to Genocide survivors and territorial concession to Armenia.

              I think that small material reparation (there are very few survivors today that could present their documents to Turkish authorities), construction of a memorial at the place of massive massacres and return of a symbolic territory comprising the Mount Ararat, Armenian's medieval capital of Ani could be a good ground for talks.

              At all events, the World Armenian Congress has created a commission of specialists that should elaborate a pan-Armenian approach and demand to this issue. It will also decide the size of reparation. I think we will have final and summarized recommendations to submit to the Armenian authorities and the Armenian Diaspora.

              Source: http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2005060401
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              • #17
                I think that small material reparation (there are very few survivors today that could present their documents to Turkish authorities), construction of a memorial at the place of massive massacres and return of a symbolic territory comprising the Mount Ararat, Armenian's medieval capital of Ani could be a good ground for talks.
                Return of some territories....
                Construction of a memorial...
                Reparation....


                Hey,dear friends.... An enemy is always better than a friend.Because,one knows what an enemy will do... But,your friends tells you what you want to hear.

                Hey,this activist is telling you nonsense... It is only impossible to take lands from Turkey.Neither Greece,nor Iran or Syria can never take a land form us.You little Armenia dreaming of this....

                Hey... We have watered these lands by our ancestors's blood inch by inch for 1000 years.1.5 millions.... Ohhh.... Tens of millions of Turks have sacrificed their souls four the sake of Anatolia... We have vaged wars with Empires of Byzantinian ,Persian,Mongul,Arabian,Russian,Austrian,French... I don't mentioned of ordinary states other than empires...And finally we have beaten Greeks in Anatolia...

                Hey,what did you do for these lands... You have only been ruled by another Empires...

                Or,lets declare war against Turkey to take these lands.... )))))))))))))))

                Country is motherland ,if it is watered by blood.... Your ancestors did nothing to be independent in Anatolia during thousands of years.... You suddenly come up in 2005 ,and want land... Oh,don't say these kind of things to Turks.... Because,they can't reply you while they laugh with their ass...

                And,don't say this kind of thing to third parties having even little information about history and Turkey's contemporary power.... They can't reply you.Because,they think that you are crazy...

                Let's ask Greeks...Say them ,who had these lands before you, that we want territory from Turkey... ))))))))))))))))

                Ohh... Don't trust your politicians ... be realist ....

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by sadi
                  Return of some territories....
                  Construction of a memorial...
                  Reparation....


                  Hey,dear friends.... An enemy is always better than a friend.Because,one knows what an enemy will do... But,your friends tells you what you want to hear.

                  Hey,this activist is telling you nonsense... It is only impossible to take lands from Turkey.Neither Greece,nor Iran or Syria can never take a land form us.You little Armenia dreaming of this....

                  Hey... We have watered these lands by our ancestors's blood inch by inch for 1000 years.1.5 millions.... Ohhh.... Tens of millions of Turks have sacrificed their souls four the sake of Anatolia... We have vaged wars with Empires of Byzantinian ,Persian,Mongul,Arabian,Russian,Austrian,French... I don't mentioned of ordinary states other than empires...And finally we have beaten Greeks in Anatolia...

                  Hey,what did you do for these lands... You have only been ruled by another Empires...

                  Or,lets declare war against Turkey to take these lands.... )))))))))))))))

                  Country is motherland ,if it is watered by blood.... Your ancestors did nothing to be independent in Anatolia during thousands of years.... You suddenly come up in 2005 ,and want land... Oh,don't say these kind of things to Turks.... Because,they can't reply you while they laugh with their ass...

                  And,don't say this kind of thing to third parties having even little information about history and Turkey's contemporary power.... They can't reply you.Because,they think that you are crazy...

                  Let's ask Greeks...Say them ,who had these lands before you, that we want territory from Turkey... ))))))))))))))))

                  Ohh... Don't trust your politicians ... be realist ....
                  They are welcome to Turkey and they can live at their houses and villages again if they want. (I'm sure none of them will leave USA,Canada and settle here) But ask for land is something different and really funny demand indeed.
                  By the way since 1000 years they are living in Turkey as minorities. Their population was always below from Muslim population since 1000 years. This is someything like how Jews demand Palestine from its real inhabitants Arabs. Just because you established an Armenian kingdom doesn't make you the real owners of these lands. Hundreds of yeras ago not only at1914 you were minority at those lands against muslim population. And now you demand all those Turks to migrate somewhere and leave those lands to you. Hmmm.....
                  Funny indeed.

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                  • #19
                    If you continue to walk behind your crazy fascist dictator Robert Kocaryan and his stupid dreams everything will be worse for Armenia and its poor people. I am really sorry for all those poor people and I support Turkey have to open borders with Armenia and help those people. But asking these kind of stupid demands doesn't help Turkish government to take such a step.

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                    • #20
                      Some very revealing commentary from one of Armenia's wealthiest and most influential political activists.
                      It is open that he wants to be more wealthier and influantial than now by creating nice dreams ...

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