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  • government decree for deportation.

    OK, this time I'm serious. I am just looking for the Ottoman government's official decree for the deportation of Armenians. There are some serious people here beside those others and maybe they can help me about the issue. Not ridiculing but I really want to learn about how all things started. So, is there anyone who have the offical text of the deportation decree?

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    You are the one with the "open archives".

    However, as has been pointed out by historians, in Germany in WW2 not a single bit of official paper has ever been found that directly orders the Jewish holocaust.
    Plenipotentiary meow!

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      so jews killed germans

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bell-the-cat
        You are the one with the "open archives".

        However, as has been pointed out by historians, in Germany in WW2 not a single bit of official paper has ever been found that directly orders the Jewish holocaust.
        No, no, I don't look this document to find a proof against the genocide or such... I just wonder how deportation is planned officially. It is not a secret or illegal document directly related to massacres. So I am sure that it's copies must be somewhere (probably it is at the Ottoman Archives). I wonder if some of you have information or already have the text.
        Otherwise I am not am academician to debate for or against genocide.
        Actually you created some doubts about my opinions about 1915 whether it is a planned genocide. And I just want to have some more information. So that document may be a good starter. Also, if you recommend some official documents of OE related the issue it will be helpful.
        This time not for joke, I only want to learn what really happened.

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          serch for " osmanlı arşivi" ..lots of stuff with arabic writings and translations..official page

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            Turkey’s Minister of Interior, Talaat Pasha, cables to the Aleppo Prefecture the confirmation of the previously transmitted order for removal of Armenians and their final elimination. The original of this cable is reproduced in the book of A. Andonian "The Memoirs of Naim Bey (The Genocide of the Armenians by the Turks). With a New Preface by the Armenian Historical Association", Documentary Series, Vol. I, Great Britain, Reprint 1964, 83 pp. Exhibit No. 3 at the trial of Soghomon Tehlirian, authenticated by the German Court. (At a trial before a Berlin court in 1921, following the assassination of Talaat by Tehlirian, Tehlirian was acquitted by the Court because of the circumstances.)

            The removal of the Armenian population of Kharput and Trebizond vilayets are commenced by the Turkish army. Photocopy of the original deportation order (written in old Turkish with Arabic characters) is to be found in the Archives of the United States State Department in Washington, DC.

            http://www.armenocide.am/gen_chronology.htm

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            • #7
              Originally posted by karoaper
              Turkey’s Minister of Interior, Talaat Pasha, cables to the Aleppo Prefecture the confirmation of the previously transmitted order for removal of Armenians and their final elimination. The original of this cable is reproduced in the book of A. Andonian "The Memoirs of Naim Bey (The Genocide of the Armenians by the Turks). With a New Preface by the Armenian Historical Association", Documentary Series, Vol. I, Great Britain, Reprint 1964, 83 pp. Exhibit No. 3 at the trial of Soghomon Tehlirian, authenticated by the German Court. (At a trial before a Berlin court in 1921, following the assassination of Talaat by Tehlirian, Tehlirian was acquitted by the Court because of the circumstances.)

              The removal of the Armenian population of Kharput and Trebizond vilayets are commenced by the Turkish army. Photocopy of the original deportation order (written in old Turkish with Arabic characters) is to be found in the Archives of the United States State Department in Washington, DC.

              http://www.armenocide.am/gen_chronology.htm
              thanks, do you have the text of that cable? I mean the cable of Talat Pasa that orders the "removal and final elimination of Armenians". It is a very important cable so.

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                Also at your website it is written that a law passed which is about the confiscation of goods of Armenians. Can I find the original text?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by karakitap
                  thanks, do you have the text of that cable? I mean the cable of Talat Pasa that orders the "removal and final elimination of Armenians". It is a very important cable so.
                  Unfortunately, I don't. I only skimmed through Google though. I think for something like this one needs to go onsite to all the historical archives and dig through. I applaud your desire to learn btw.

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                  • #10
                    Well, I am ready to accept the genocide if there is a cable of Talat Pasa ordering the extermination of Armenians or such certain evidence. It is a shame for us if so. I just want to learn neutrally.

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