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    Armenians have revolted in Van.

    Documents on Armenian Massacre of Muslims in French Archives
    By Erdal Sen
    Published: Friday, August 05, 2005
    zaman.com


    France, a vocal opponent of Turkey's European Union membership, is also a fierce defendant of the alleged Armenian genocide. Lying at the center of the Armenian Diaspora, France frequently brings up the genocide allegations in international or domestic platforms.

    France and other countries that have accepted the genocide thesis repeatedly block Turkey's call for a debate to be conducted by historians. Moreover Ottoman archives are deemed "biased". In response to this attitude, the Turkish Historical Association (TTV) opened the Ottoman Archives to the public and has conducted research about the topic in the French, British, Russian and American archives.


    Within the framework of the project that concluded recently, the documents obtained from French archives are to be compiled. These documents include diplomatic correspondence that refers to Armenian massacres of the Muslim population within Ottoman territory. Secret official documents refer to Armenian rioting activity and to plans to cause panic among the Muslim population through assassinations which date from well before the deportation decision. Correspondence conducted with French Foreign Ministry contains information that Armenians were plotting to kill Enver and Talat Pashas and that their assassinations would be realized in contact with the Entente Powers. Concerning the documents found in the French archives, TTV Chairman Professor Dr. Yusuf Halacoglu comments, "the reason why our call for a debate conducted by a commission of historians was refused now has come to light."


    According to the TTV's examination, 479 documents were brought to Turkey from France after they were photocopied. Most of the diplomatic documents bear a "confidential" sign on them. TTV will publish the documents in three volumes, which give the opportunity to evaluate the problems from the points of view of the Ottomans and the Armenians during World War I. The documents shed light on the pre- and post-deportation period whose original and Turkish versions will be published separately. The exchange of arms and ammunition between the French and the revolting Armenians are available in French archive documents. One of the documents, which best summarizes the actions of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire is the 14 May 1915 dated correspondence telling about the "killing of 6,000 citizens by Armenians in Van region". This document was sent to the French Foreign Ministry by Russia's Paris Embassy. Another telegram, dated 8 May, 1915, filed by French Foreign Ministry proves that triple-entente "benefited from" Armenians. The document reveals that "Armenians who revolted in Van killed many Muslims and civil servants".


    Speaking to Zaman about their studies regarding the international achieve studies, Halacoglu claims that most of the countries that prosecute Turkey about the Armenian genocide now, benefited from the Armenians during the World War I. Halacoglu said they proved this with the documents they obtained as he added: "According to the Ottoman archives, we had formerly announced the massacre of Muslim public by Armenians. The documents that we have brought from other countries prove these massacres. Armenians' riots, massacres and plans can be seen in French documents as well, which played a role in the Ottoman's taking a decision for Armenian deportation."


    Armenian revolt


    Following is a statement sent by Russian Embassy in Paris to French Foreign Ministry on 14 May 1915:


    "According to a telegraph by Sazanov to Iswoybky, a letter pinned on a harbinger's cloth sent by Van's Armenian colony to inform Tbilisi Armenians says: 'About 6,000 were killed in the Eastern Anatolian province Van, The Van and Catak defense still continued, the cannon balls did not cause much damage in Van but urgent help is needed.' This letter is dated 28 April 1915. Russia's Embassies in Paris and London take conveying the above information to the both cabinets as a mission."


    Another Seon-signed telegraph from Salonica to French Foreign Ministry on 8 May 1915 says:


    "Armenians have revolted in Van. They killed Muslims and civil servants there. They blew up municipal building and seized the city for 16 days. Troops sent from Erzurum following the events took back the city and killed Armenians. 2,500 prominent Armenians were arrested in Istanbul upon these events. Several bombs and documents were found at their homes. It should be admitted that intention of Armenian rebel societies are to kill Enver and Talat Pashas in connection with the Triple Entente and to create panic among the Muslims by plotting assassinations with dynamite."
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    Yes very nice - now read what Nogales - who was there - says about this "revolt" - and understand that the Ottoman Empire had a huge propoganda machinery that was twisting these events to justify their preconcieved actions and that they had already thousands of Special Organization murderers out in the countryside slaughtering Armenians and destroying their villages - all of this is thoroughly documented. Sure the Armenains of Van "revolted" after their leaders who had been called to conference were murdered, after refugees from outlying villages came streaming in with stories of massacre and brutality and after the turks made it be known that they wished to remove the men from Van so they could do the same to them as they were doing to other Armenians elsewhere. So get off it already - your "justifications" for the Turkish massacre and Genocide of Armenians and destruction of over a million innocent Armenian women and children and the great brutalities commited doing so and the resulting abscence of Armenians in Anatolia cannot just be justified away. That you cannot or refuse to understand the reality of what occured in Anatolia during this period - not only against the Armenians but against all the other Christian peoples of the Empire is attributable soley to your blind patriotism and brainwashing as this history is known and understood by all but you sorry denying Turks.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by winoman
      Yes very nice - now read what Nogales - who was there - says about this "revolt" - and understand that the Ottoman Empire had a huge propoganda machinery that was twisting these events to justify their preconcieved actions and that they had already thousands of Special Organization murderers out in the countryside slaughtering Armenians and destroying their villages - all of this is thoroughly documented. Sure the Armenains of Van "revolted" after their leaders who had been called to conference were murdered, after refugees from outlying villages came streaming in with stories of massacre and brutality and after the turks made it be known that they wished to remove the men from Van so they could do the same to them as they were doing to other Armenians elsewhere. So get off it already - your "justifications" for the Turkish massacre and Genocide of Armenians and destruction of over a million innocent Armenian women and children and the great brutalities commited doing so and the resulting abscence of Armenians in Anatolia cannot just be justified away. That you cannot or refuse to understand the reality of what occured in Anatolia during this period - not only against the Armenians but against all the other Christian peoples of the Empire is attributable soley to your blind patriotism and brainwashing as this history is known and understood by all but you sorry denying Turks.
      As I know, Armenians revolted at Van and massacred the entire Muslim population of the city, before deportation, not after.
      Think about Jews who revolted against Nazi Germany and massacred all Germans of an entire city.

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      • #4
        It is before deportation,the tele was before the law of exile. 6000 people. I think he didnt read it, or he didnt know when exile happened. And If they realy care genocide,at least they should know genocide history.

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        • #5
          Let's see what REALLY happened in Van shall we? This information was published in "The Duluth Herald" on Friday, October 8, 1915.





          Van, the ancient capital of the Armenian Ardzruni dynasty was ocupied by the Russian army in its advance in the Caucasus during the first week of May 1915. The Russian commander Gen. Oganesov, who was an Armenian was assisted with 6 men from the Armenian revolutionary, Andranig's group and the rest were Russian regulars. But long before Van fell to the Russians, Jevded Pasha started the work of massacring the Armenian population of Van.

          The massacre began at Shadokh, a large and isolated village, where not a man was spared except those over 60 years of age. Of the women, the more comely were carried away by Jevded's soldiers and Kurd tribeamon. The massacre was carried out systematically in the entire province of Van beginning with the outlying villages. Great care was taken to prevent rumors of this from reaching the capital.

          There was living in Van city at that time Prince Ishkham, an Armenian who had been useful to the government in settling troubles between the Turks and the Armenians. He was asked by Jevded to go to the village and try to reconcile the contending parties. Jevded addressed the prince in a letter as his "dear friend". The prince, unaware of the plot, started out with a number of advisers. The entire party was slaughtered by a party of Jevded's horsemen while taking lunch at a coffee house.

          At this time also there was in Van an Armenian member of the Turkish parliament by the name of Vramian, who was invited by Jevded to call on him at headquarters. On arrival at headquarters Vramian was arrested, a large stone was tied to his feet and he was thrown into a lake and drowned.

          The Russians were now reported on the advance. Talaat Bey published a warning against the Armenians participation on a penalty of dre punishment. But the story of the massacre in the isolated parts was carried by survivors and the Armenians prepared to sell themselves as dearly as possible, the peaceful element as well as the revolutionaries. Jevded hen called on the Armenian bishop to visit him. The bishop refused. Thereupon Jevded descended upon the "rebellious" city of Van with an army of 8,000 Turks and Kurds and called on the phone to lay down their arms, surrender without conditions and trust to the clemency of the sultan. This offer was made through the Italian consul.

          Of the 50,000 Armenians in Van, only 450 were armed-250 with rifles and the rest with revolvers. For twenty-nine days this handful defended the city. On the thirtieth day Gen. Oganesov arrived with his Armenian volunteers and Rusian regulars and the Turks retreated.

          Conditions were at that time frightful as the only doctor in the city to look after the sick and wounded had been Dr. Allen, An American missionary. But with the Russians came help and doctors and nurses soon arrived from Tiflis. Committees were appointed to aid the sufferers, and the peasants started to fill the fields and rebuilt their homes.


          You Turks are all sick. Like the genocide wasn't enough, you have the balls to sign up in our forum and start posts about Armenians revolting!!! WOW!!!!

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          • #6
            Isn't there any honest Armenian in this forum who is ready to confess that Armenians massacred thousands of Turks and Kurds in the city of Van before deportation?

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            • #7
              no, we were mad,so we killed them without reason. If they said, yes we killed but this does not justify any thing about exile, I will accept.But It looks like we were mad acording to them. Mindless zombie dont ever think, why turk killed them.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Murtaza
                no, we were mad,so we killed them without reason. If they said, yes we killed but this does not justify any thing about exile, I will accept.But It looks like we were mad acording to them. Mindless zombie dont ever think, why turk killed them.
                No we simply can't lose our time to explain anything to people who wont sit to listen us. We have done it so many times that we are too tired for it.

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                • #9
                  No conversation, just blackmail Turkey to accept genocide whether it is reality or not.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by radar
                    Isn't there any honest Armenian in this forum who is ready to confess that Armenians massacred thousands of Turks and Kurds in the city of Van before deportation?
                    Never happened. Really. The report that was sent by the Tukish authorities from Van at tis time listed 8 deaths. It was subsequantly doctored to show 80, then 8,000, then 80,000...this is well documented as are the facts surounding Van. You need to read more then your regurgitated propoganda...

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