Ottoman Armenians in the Collapse PEriod of the Empire...

[TomServo]

I think even Ataturk himself would've had a good chuckle at that one.

[Sip]

Agri? Sounds like baby talk.

[loveataturk]

Funny and stupid? All words and no constructive ideas nor actions...This is why you ladies' and gentlemen's approach will never work.
You folks should concentrate on improving living standards and democratic institutions in your own backyard, Armenia, then most probably relations with Turkey will improve....TO THE DISMAY OF ANARCHISTS AND EXTREMISTS ON BOTH TURKEY AND ARMENIA...The extremists of Turkey and Armenia really must be enjoying our inability to discuss things rationally, that is how they earn their living.

[winoman]

Funny and stupid? All words and no constructive ideas nor actions...This is why you ladies' and gentlemen's approach will never work.
You folks should concentrate on improving living standards and democratic institutions in your own backyard, Armenia, then most probably relations with Turkey will improve....TO THE DISMAY OF ANARCHISTS AND EXTREMISTS ON BOTH TURKEY AND ARMENIA...The extremists of Turkey and Armenia really must be enjoying our inability to discuss things rationally, that is how they earn their living.

You have shown yourself to be an idiot - so why should we bother.

[loveataturk]

You should bother, because compared to Turks and Turkey, you Armenians are always on the losing side, which makes you losers.
Would you rather not learn how to be in a WIN-WIN situation?

[winoman]

You should bother, because compared to Turks and Turkey, you Armenians are always on the losing side, which makes you losers.
Would you rather not learn how to be in a WIN-WIN situation?

Look around you brother - is your nation really such a paradise? Do your fellow Turks inspire you by their sucess - their brilliance, creativity and achievement? I can look around and see Armenians accross the globe - here in the US and elswhere that inspire and impress me. Armenians have an amzing record of scientific, artistic and comercial achiement - continuing and historically. We are rich and powerful brother. We are respected and welcomed. What of you Turks eh? So see who laughs last eh....

[The Abyss]

Armenians Losers I don't think so, That word does not apply to the Armenian poeple,We always triumph on Evil, and the proof, even with Genocide perpetrad on Armenians we survived and builded an new nation (even if its only a small part of the Historic Armenia) from the ashes of the nation you burned. And that my friend is called Winning.

Losers Destroy, winners build....

Please let me elaborate more on how Armenians are always winners, by telling you a brief story from the history....

In the 5th century AD (when you didn't even exist in the Atlas of History,just an info you guys came into the picture in the 12th century AD,and this is applicable if you concider Seljuks your ancestors) when Armenia was an Independent Christian Kingdom, our neighbors in the south the Persians that were at the time pagans, tried to conquer and impose their faith on Armenia, hence there was a battle between the two kingdoms and the battle took place on June 2, 451 AD on the field of Avarayr.

NOw the battle was won by the Persians, they even succeded in killing Prince Vartan Mamigonian(later on Saint Vartan) who was the comander of the Armenian troops,but the Persians couldn't impose their faith nor their culture on the Armenians.

""We lost the battle,but the moral victory was ours"".
Although the Battle of Vartananatz was a military defeat for the Armenians, it has gone down in Armenian history as the greatest spiritual and moral victory, and is celebrated by all Armenians everywhere with pride and respect as a personification of the freedom of thought, faith, and conscience! It is the most important national and religious Holy Day.



I will not be surprised if you don't understand the essence of the above mentioned story, since you people lack something called "Morality".

[TomServo]

I thought Anonymouse pretty much covered the achievements of Turks in this thread.

The ones that do show promise, such as Orhan Pamuk, are jailed.

[loveataturk]

Seljuks are the "muslim" branch of Turks, however Turkic history goes back to the Huns and the Hyung-nu. FOR YOUR PITIFUL INFO All this talk about "ancestors" is really not very helpful, because Armenians of anatolia and Turks of Anatolia have been mixed for centuries.

I AM PERSONALLY VERY VERY SAD THAT WE LACK THE ARMENIAN CULTURE IN TURKEY NOW, because think about it, we lost, through deportation or massacre, whatever you call it, a very big percentage of our most gifted people...Turkey would be very very better today if we still had our greek and assyrian and armenian people also...IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN TODAY FOR EVERYONE, that is for sure.

[winoman]

I AM PERSONALLY VERY VERY SAD THAT WE LACK THE ARMENIAN CULTURE IN TURKEY NOW, because think about it, we lost, through deportation or massacre, whatever you call it, a very big percentage of our most gifted people...Turkey would be very very better today if we still had our greek and assyrian and armenian people also...IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN TODAY FOR EVERYONE, that is for sure.

True.

A question (to ask yourself) and a coment (for you to think about):

So who is to blame for this and why?

and

If history occured in a manner where somehow the Armenians and other Christian minorities of Anatolia were not killed and driven away (either by some sudden change of heart on the part of the Grinch or through some [miracalous] outside intervention of some sort) there would be no Turkey as we know it today.