Ottoman Armenians in the Collapse PEriod of the Empire...

[TomServo]

Foolish.

[karoaper]

Turkish.

[Thai-Samurai]

no one here is gonna understand that; what an idiot; it's probably some hate article.

[Otto3]

it is an article about the numbers of armenians who joined the allied armies back in WWI...

[Anonymouse]

By 1789 and the advent of capitalism, while "nation-states" were being formed in Europe (for example Germany (1815-1871) and Italy (1861)), the multi-national and multi-ethnic Ottoman Empire could not be expected to resist the current too long. What minority in the Empire could be blamed for attempting their own nation-state? Certainly, Albanians-Romans-Serbians-Greek and Bulgarians opted for this approach. Although they were basically incited and provoked by the Western European overlords, still, all these nation-states of today decided their destiny by themselves.

IT is very easy to make the above reasoning, TODAY, in 2005. Could the ,OTtoman Empire and her rulers of 19th century be expected to approach the same way? And, WHY????

Do you all suppose that the OTtoman Empire should simply have handed out a good portion of Anatolia to Armenians? Are you all out of your minds?

QUESTION: If the affairs of 1800-1919 that transpired upon Ottoman happened to the France, Germany, ITalu or England of those days, what would they have done??? What was colonizing Europe doing in her colonies at the time? How were they treating rebels in their colonies?

Also, remember, the land that Armenians tried to grab was no colony, it belonged to Turks for the past 900 years...

Yes and Armenians were living on those lands for thousands of years even before Turks. What is your point? The date game is pointless.

[loveataturk]

The article by Dr. Hate is an excellent article, and proof, that Armenian people numbered around 200,000 enlisted in the allies army during WW-I. HE also notifies that in VAN, Turkey, Armenians committed gross ethnic cleansing and part of their genocide attempt (ironic that these liers then came back to accuse Turks of the crime).
Instead of burying our heads into the sand like ostriches, we should all try to read the Turkish documents, which are far more TRUTH then the self-deceiving Armenian claims.

[winoman]

The article by Dr. Hate is an excellent article, and proof, that Armenian people numbered around 200,000 enlisted in the allies army during WW-I. HE also notifies that in VAN, Turkey, Armenians committed gross ethnic cleansing and part of their genocide attempt (ironic that these liers then came back to accuse Turks of the crime).
Instead of burying our heads into the sand like ostriches, we should all try to read the Turkish documents, which are far more TRUTH then the self-deceiving Armenian claims.

Yes of course and didn't Ataturk claim (and get Turkish academics to support) that Turks were the original civilization on earth descended from the Annukai (God beings from planet Nuburu)? Need I give other examples of (so-called) Turkish scholarship? You guys often get very funny notions of how things were - with quite laughable treatise based on the flimsiest of non-evidence...so you are asking us to believe such contentions? Its a joke right? Isn't April Fools day in the Spring?

So Ataturk lover - we again see you revert to form.....

[loveataturk]

Any invitation to reason and rationality, thus attending the views and approaches of both sides of the argument, YOU DEEM TO BE REVERTING TO FORM?
My only reaction to your comment could be...to smile, and FORGIVE you.
You should sincerely try to be more objective.

[Sip]

... sözde soykırım iddiasını temelden çürütecek iki ...

... frozen soy cream ideas in the middle kookooroo check to you too.

[winoman]

Ataturk lover - it is I who might be in a position to forgive anything - not you - but I'm not ready yet - since you are displaying mostly backsliding behavior and exhibiting your true feelings here. You applaud an article which claims that it was Armenians commiting Genocide against the Turks and commiting ethnic cleansing in Van and you expect me to take you seriously? Can't you understand how ludicrous this claim is? Are you not aware of the proven falsification of reports from the Turkish side - including the repeated doctoring of reports from the city to pump up the Turkish civilian victims from 8 (yes - 8!) to 80,000! (as if the few thousand Armenians with rifles and few bullets were capable of massacring 80,000 Turks - when the Turkish army was outside the gates pressing them and was rounding up and slaughtering Armenains from villages around the entire region and driving Armenian women and children into the city to be a further burden on the Armenains under seige there). Other reports concerning Turks who fled the city were doctored to claim these numbers had been killed by Armenians...give me a break! You obviously are taking the official Turkish false, propogandistic and denialist line for something resembling truth - and regardless of real truth or evidence are clingting to it as if your life depended on it. Well the errors in this position are too numerous to mention - such as complete lack in reality - as there were enough eyewitnesses (from both sides) who reported acuratly what occured at Van (For instance - I suggest reading Nogales's account - he was a Venuzuelan officer who directed the artillery seige on the city from the Turkish side).

Anyway - you are so very wrong that you think I have no understanding or appreciation of how this whole thing is viewed from the Turkish side. Please read my past posts on the subject as I am tired of explaining everything over and over again. You really have no clue.