Ottoman Armenians in the Collapse PEriod of the Empire...

[bell-the-cat]

Came across this recently.

Author: McCULLOCH, J. R.
Title: Russia and Turkey
Publisher: London: Longman, Brown, Green, and Longmans, 1854.

Excerpt from the Turkey section: "Perhaps no nation ever possessed so little talent for governing others as the Turks. They have never struck their roots, or acquired any solid footing, in the countries they have conquered. They are encamped in and occupy them; but they hold them by no tie other than the sword. They have never coalesced with the original inhabitants. They look upon themselves as the nation, and the rest of the people, or those at least who have not embraced Mohammedanism, as an inferior race, which it is, if not a duty, at all events but a venial offence, to insult and xxxxxle upon. In this respect they differ widely from the Tartars who overran China, and, indeed, from every other people; and to this more than anything else, their weakness, and the wretched state of the countries subject to their dominion, are to be ascribed..."

[bell-the-cat]

And would someone please explain why the word "t r a m p l e" was censored?????

[ArmenianKid]

yeah armenia is so weak that they handed the azeri's their own ass.....

[cumanicus]

yeah armenia is so weak that they handed the azeri's their own ass.....

yes, you are man.

[cumanicus]

Came across this recently.

Author: McCULLOCH, J. R.
Title: Russia and Turkey
Publisher: London: Longman, Brown, Green, and Longmans, 1854.

Excerpt from the Turkey section: "Perhaps no nation ever possessed so little talent for governing others as the Turks. They have never struck their roots, or acquired any solid footing, in the countries they have conquered. They are encamped in and occupy them; but they hold them by no tie other than the sword. They have never coalesced with the original inhabitants. They look upon themselves as the nation, and the rest of the people, or those at least who have not embraced Mohammedanism, as an inferior race, which it is, if not a duty, at all events but a venial offence, to insult and xxxxxle upon. In this respect they differ widely from the Tartars who overran China, and, indeed, from every other people; and to this more than anything else, their weakness, and the wretched state of the countries subject to their dominion, are to be ascribed..."

wow, what a scientific quote. Can't you see that quoting these kind of stupid things only show you more racist?

[cumanicus]

Turkey's intention during world war II are pretty much documented, how easy was it for the French to give away a protectorate in 1939 to Turkey, and how Turkey fantasmated about how to obtain more on the East if ever the Soviet were to take over Stalingrad is also recorded. If I were you, I would not go there.

Fadix, it seems that you have another interesting example like winoman. Winoman seems like a person that have an ultra self confidence about Turkish-Armenian debates that nobody can convince that he makes stupid comments.
And as I understood you consider yourself some kind of historian that has an ultra self confidence that nobody seems to convince you about how stupid and childish "knowledge" you have about history.
You two really entertain me more than others.

[skhara]

Fadix, it seems that you have another interesting example like winoman. Winoman seems like a person that have an ultra self confidence about Turkish-Armenian debates that nobody can convince that he makes stupid comments.
And as I understood you consider yourself some kind of historian that has an ultra self confidence that nobody seems to convince you about how stupid and childish "knowledge" you have about history.
You two really entertain me more than others.

Maybe you're a semi-turk.

[cumanicus]

Maybe you're a semi-turk.

No, actually I'm Georgian. CIA is funding me for a cold war against Armenians. Because they don't like the Russian involvement over Caucasian oil reserves and against Iran-Armenia alliance. You see nothing is as it seems.
There are big conspiracies around us. You have to be careful skhara. Big brother may be watching you.

[skhara]

No, actually I'm Georgian. CIA is funding me for a cold war against Armenians. Because they don't like the Russian involvement over Caucasian oil reserves and against Iran-Armenia alliance. You see nothing is as it seems.
There are big conspiracies around us. You have to be careful skhara. Big brother may be watching you.

Well this is overly simplistic and not entirely accurate, but I think you are on to something.

[bell-the-cat]

wow, what a scientific quote. Can't you see that quoting these kind of stupid things only show you more racist?

Written and published in Britain in 1854, the year Britain and France allied themselves with the Ottoman empire to protect your ancestors from getting a thorough kicking at the hands of the Russians. If that was what allies of Turkey thought of Turks - what do you think their enemies would write?