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What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

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  • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

    Raphael Lemkin, the man who coined the term "genocide", referred to the events that occurred during 1915 and the xxxish Holocaust as examples. He must have been wrong too.

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    • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

      Originally posted by TomServo
      Why are you here platana? Are you obsessed with Armenians?
      In contrast, I like chatting with people;armenian,chiristian or turk,it doest matter for me as long as being a human, if you dont want to chat with platana its your problem Tom
      History is written by agreement of scientists and documents-evidences NOT by the decisions of councils or prejudices

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      • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

        Originally posted by platana

        Firstly, my daddy is from Italy but my mother is turk, and I don't claim anything , Im talking about history,How could these armanians have so called their own lands in the Ottoman Empire for 600 years, we are talking about an Empire which has land in 3 continents and how they had lived without interacted with turks for such a long time, 600 years (six hundred years)! are u kidding me?.of course they lived together.Anyway, there are still thousands of armenians in türkiye,even fameous armenians such as Ara GÜLER who is the most fameous photographer in Turkiye and also Cem KARACA who is one of the most popular rock singer,Garo MAFYAN a musician... and they are people of armenian origin and citizens of Turkiye, there are thousands of armenians in Türkiye, they live together with turks as in the past,you cant change these realities, at least when you claim something,first you should think about it please...




        First of all , I want to say something: you are incapable of getting engaged into a normal discussion, I can not see you in person but from your writings not only to me but to others as well, I can feel deeply a kind of heart palpitation and an unjustified rage. This could prevent you from reasoning. So my suggestion: just calm down and take some aspirins before it’s too late!

        Secondly read carefully what Anonymouse said.

        I don’t understand why you are repeating constantly your previous writings, I had answered them all before! You demand everybody to think and to be logical and things like that but I guess you are the one who should think twice.
        Minorities live in Turkey like hostages, in these conditions do you really expect them to object to something?




        As I said,Im talking about evidences, so I dont need to expand my historical knowledge, I would want to mention about ur knowladge about history, but you say lots of baseless and ridiculous things as a child.at least when I say somthing, I show you some reasons,but u only claim and thats all. How will u deny these thousands of armenians in Turkiye, maybe they fell down from the sky
        Are these not reliable sources? turks and armenians have lived so far and they will..., you wont be able to change these realities....



        I guess I’m right in claiming that your historical knowledge dates back to the installation of turkes in the region and ottoman empire. So I’m gonna provide you with some precious information: before your installation in the region there was a life there, there people who were living peacefully on their own land ( however it’s not your fault, you go back only a few centuries earlier from which your existence in the region)
        Last edited by ARK; 08-17-2006, 07:43 AM.

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        • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

          Originally posted by ARK
          Minorities live in Turkey like hostages, in these conditions do you really expect them to object to something?
          These people are some fameous "hostages" in Turkey, please save them they are very anxious about their lives



          Hrant Dink: (1957-) author, journalist
          Nubar Terziyan: (1909-1994) actor
          Sami Hazinses: (1925-2002) actor
          Ara Güler : (1928- ) photographer
          Arto Tunçboyacıyan: (1957- ) musician
          Hayko Cepkin: singer, musician
          Onno Tunç (boyacıyan): (1948-1996) musician
          Vahe Kılıçarslan :model , tv announcer
          Balyan Family : arcitects (bali kalfa (merametçi) , krikor amira balyan, senekerim amira balyan, garabet amira balyan, nigoğos amira balyan, agop balyan, sarkis balyan, simon balyan , levon balyan)
          Alin Taşçıyan: fim critic
          Raffi Portakal: antiquarian, outrooper
          Djivan Gasparyan: (1928-) musician, duduk virtuoso
          Ani Çelik Arevyan: photographer
          Etyen Mahçupyan: journalist
          Sevan Nişanyan: (1956-) author
          Madam Anahit: (1917-2003) accordionist (famous in İstanbul-beyoğlu)
          Kirkor Cezveciyan: (known as Kenan pars)1920-
          Karin Karakaş: author
          Garo Mafyan: musician
          Alen Markaryan: cheer–leader of beşiktaş (bjk/ famous football team)
          Toto Karaca : (actress) (Cem karaca's mother)
          Turgut Özatay: (actor)
          Agop Vartovyan: (known as Güllü Agop) actor
          Jak İhmalyan: artist

          Also there are so many armenians who are converted or has muslim fathers/mothers like Cem Karaca (musician), Ruhi Su (musician), Adile Naşit (actress), Bekir Coşkun (journalist), Vahi Öz (actor)...


          Oh Im about to forget, there is also an Armenian Patrician in Istanbul, Although they have a lot of churches in Türkiye and can get their religion freely, they still live as hostages.We should do somthing for these people!

          Originally posted by ARK
          So my suggestion: just calm down and take some aspirins before it’s too late!
          Thanks... I had took some aspirins before writing, dont worry...
          History is written by agreement of scientists and documents-evidences NOT by the decisions of councils or prejudices

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          • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

            Originally posted by platana
            Oh God, you still say the same things, I showed you formal declaration of Türkiye in 2005,if any scientist from America,England,Italy...aren't allowed to see archives for 2 years, why no one say somthing. Do you know formal mean in international relations?, Türkiye declared opening archives in 11 march 2005 formally, how many times I say this and you refuse, you only refuse! ,are u blind?
            Just what have you "showed"? All you have showed was what appeared to be an attempt at having discussions and conference, and by no means a statement that the archives are open and ready for the historians to sift through. And you have the face to sit here and lie and pretend one thing means another? I have already called you on this several times, yet you keep repeating the same thing and you complain to me supposedly saying the same things. If you were actually here to discuss, which is not the case since all you are doing is fanning flames, you would understand.


            Originally posted by platana
            Do you want to see crime?

            DATE CITY / DUTY - Name and Surname

            27.01.1973 Santa Barbara / Consul General - Mehmet BAYDAR
            Santa Barbara / Consul - Bahadır DEMİR
            22.10.1975 Vienna / Ambassador - Daniş TUNALIGİL
            24.10.1975 Paris / Ambassador - İsmail EREZ
            Paris / Driver - Talip YENER
            16.02.1976 Beirut / First Secretary - Oktar CİRİT

            09.06.1977 Vatican City / Ambassador - Taha CARIM
            02.06.1978 Madrid / Ambassador’s wife - Necla KUNERALP
            Madrid / Retired Ambassador - Beşir BALCIOĞLU
            12.10.1979 The Hague / Ambassador’s son - Ahmet BENLER
            22.12.1979 Paris / Tourism Counsellor - Yılmaz ÇOLPAN
            31.07.1980 Athens / Administrative Attache - Galip ÖZMEN
            Athens / Administrative Attaché’s daughter- Neslihan ÖZMEN
            17.12.1980 Sydney / Consul General - Şarık ARIYAK
            Sydney / Security Attaché - Engin SEVER

            04.03.1981 Paris / Counsellor for Labour Affairs - Reşat MORALI
            Paris / Counsellor for Religious Affairs - Tecelli ARI
            09.06.1981 Geneva / Secretary - M.Savaş YERGÜZ
            24.09.1981 Paris / Security Attaché - Cemal ÖZEN
            28.01.1982 Los Angeles / Consul General - Kemal ARIKAN
            08.04.1982 Ottawa / Counsellor for Commercial Affairs - Kani GÜNGÖR
            04.05.1982 Boston / Honorary Consul General - Orhan GÜNDÜZ
            07.06.1982 Lisbon / Administrative Attaché - Erkut AKBAY
            27.08.1982 Ottawa /Colonel, Military Attaché- Atilla ALTIKAT
            09.09.1982 Bourgas / Administrative Attaché - Bora SÜELKAN
            08.01.1983 Lisbon / Administrative Attaché’s wife, wounded in the armed assault directed against her husband Erkut Akbay on 07 06 1982, died on 08 01 1983 Nadide AKBAY
            09.03.1983 Belgrade / Ambassador - Galip BALKAR
            14.07.1983 Brussels / Administrative Attaché - Dursun AKSOY
            27.07.1983 Lisbon / Counsellor’s wife - Cahide MIHÇIOĞLU
            28.04.1984 Teheran / Secretary’s wife - Işık YÖNDER
            20.06.1984 Vienna / Attaché for Labour Affairs - Erdoğan ÖZEN
            19.11.1984 Vienna / International Official - Enver ERGUN
            07.10.1991 Athens / Press Attaché - Çetin GÖRGÜ
            11.12.1993 Baghdad / Administrative Attaché - Çağlar YÜCEL
            04.07.1994 Athens / Embassy Counsellor - Haluk SİPAHİOĞLU

            Oh armenians are very innocent everytime,they are always victim, aren't they?Oh yes turks are savage.
            Oh when the poor little Turks die then all of a sudden that grabs the Turks attention. I guess that's the only thing you understand, eh?

            By the way, it should be known I am not a proponent of violence, but that is a pale comparison to what your blood lusting ancestors did, which you even by typing on this forum continue to deny.


            Originally posted by platana
            Yes!after lived 600 years, turks said themselves"why dont we get into genocidal behaviors after a long time"
            I dont say none of the armenian in Türkiye were killed, of course during the war thousands of them died,maybe they were innocent but a lot of innocent turks died,too.It was a war,I refuse only that naming these event as a "genocide" and exagerrating the number of these armenians such as 1,5 million armenian. Genocide means massacring a race or a nation systematically as a whole and it is irrelevant to the case .Sometimes I think that There are very few nations that can inflict such damage on themselves
            You see the people having died in a war as a genocide,you re talking nonsense...
            The Armenians the Ukrainians, the Cambodians, the Rwandans, all had experienced genocides and lost people around that same number of 1 to 1 and half million, unlike that holy Holocaust bold number of 6 million. There is no exaggeration and there seems to be solid consistency across the board. You don't have to like, but that is the way goes.

            Wars are not excuses to annihilate defenseless populations. What you are stating by "it was a war" is a justification in case the day comes that the tables actually turn against you and that day will come. Throughout the several posts you have made, not once have you engaged in a thoughtful discussion. Quite the contrary, you have come here adding insult to injury, and on top of that claiming that somehow I or others repeat the same things, when I have already several times presented you into a corner for which the answer was nothing but silence and evasion, which makes me wonder why many Armenians simply don't bother debating with you if this is what we get all the time.

            I have asked you to show evidence of Turkey's admission that the archives are open and ready for any historian and scholar to go through. You did not do that. What did you do? Instead you showed some little declaration of the Turkish government calling on Armenians for a discussions, a confernece or some such thing, a thing of which there have been plenty of. I ask why people in Turkey are prosecuted for admitting or discussing about the Armenian genocide, and instead you bring up Turkish diplomats.

            By the way, I do not support such actions, and know that there is no uniformity among Armenians, and the policies of some are not the those of others. However, I cannot same the same for most Turks.

            Since you cannot engage in a discussion, and since you seem to already know all the answers to everything with a predetermined mind, why are you here? This has been asked several times by a few folks.
            Last edited by Anonymouse; 08-17-2006, 07:48 PM.
            Achkerov kute.

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            • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

              Originally posted by platana
              These people are some fameous "hostages" in Turkey, please save them they are very anxious about their lives



              Hrant Dink: (1957-) author, journalist
              Nubar Terziyan: (1909-1994) actor
              Sami Hazinses: (1925-2002) actor
              Ara Güler : (1928- ) photographer
              Arto Tunçboyacıyan: (1957- ) musician
              Hayko Cepkin: singer, musician
              Onno Tunç (boyacıyan): (1948-1996) musician
              Vahe Kılıçarslan :model , tv announcer
              Balyan Family : arcitects (bali kalfa (merametçi) , krikor amira balyan, senekerim amira balyan, garabet amira balyan, nigoğos amira balyan, agop balyan, sarkis balyan, simon balyan , levon balyan)
              Alin Taşçıyan: fim critic
              Raffi Portakal: antiquarian, outrooper
              Djivan Gasparyan: (1928-) musician, duduk virtuoso
              Ani Çelik Arevyan: photographer
              Etyen Mahçupyan: journalist
              Sevan Nişanyan: (1956-) author
              Madam Anahit: (1917-2003) accordionist (famous in İstanbul-beyoğlu)
              Kirkor Cezveciyan: (known as Kenan pars)1920-
              Karin Karakaş: author
              Garo Mafyan: musician
              Alen Markaryan: cheer–leader of beşiktaş (bjk/ famous football team)
              Toto Karaca : (actress) (Cem karaca's mother)
              Turgut Özatay: (actor)
              Agop Vartovyan: (known as Güllü Agop) actor
              Jak İhmalyan: artist

              Also there are so many armenians who are converted or has muslim fathers/mothers like Cem Karaca (musician), Ruhi Su (musician), Adile Naşit (actress), Bekir Coşkun (journalist), Vahi Öz (actor)...



              Thanks... I had took some aspirins before writing, dont worry...

              Yeah,exactley! these people are famous hostages in Turkey besides some turkish citizens!(Orhan Pamuk, Magden and others).
              Thank you for bringing up the list!(you made a big mistake) You reminded me well of Hrant Dink. He is facing charges for repeating the truth: Open your eyes and read this carefully


              New Investigation Opened Against Hrant Dink for 'Insulting Turkish Identity'
              By Cihan News Agency
              Published: Tuesday, July 18, 2006

              Hrant Dink, editor of the Agos newspaper which serves Turkey's Armenian community, told Reuters on July 14, "Of course I call this a genocide because the result defines itself and gives itself the name. You can see for yourself that a people that have lived on this land for 4000 years no longer exists in that region due to these events."

              This is the consequence of telling the truth or simply expressing an idea in Turkey, this is the freedom of speech made in Turkey , and this is the country who wishes to be member of EU.

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              • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

                Thank you for bringing up the list!(you made a big mistake) You reminded me well of Hrant Dink. He is facing charges for repeating the truth: Open your eyes and read this carefully
                Oh I made a mistake,besides it is a big mistake ha?I begin to worry
                Really you are getting more ridiculous,I wonder that if a writer living in Armenia [or in any country]say in his writing that armenians' blood is poisonous,what would armenians say? are you kidding me?Is it a humanity right to insult a nation in which you live, besides 70 million people are aware of that insulting.it is very disgusting . And ıs Türkiye banana republic?I suppose that you expected that Türkiye should say," yes Hrant Dink is right, 70 millions turks' blood is poisonous and turks are shameful" did you expected that????

                Dink insulted his neighbours, his country where he live,(reminded me history ) he insulted 70 million people, what an obsessive and shameless man! and you see this situation normal, you make me think about your mood, are you OK? At least Dink was OK. he understood his fault and apologized Turkish Nation in a conferance in Antalya 18.02.2006,

                but a writer who informs his citizens about life or news and his thoughts, shouldn't make such a despicable sentences, if he is a human before a writerit's very misirable situation...

                this is the freedom of speech made in Turkey , and this is the country who wishes to be member of EU.
                Is insulting a nation by using this disgusting word poisonous blood freedom?, or you say that a country should be so tolerant that If anyone insult them in a newspaper,they should do nothing, should they?what a nonsense thing!!!
                And some idiots try to use Türkiye's candidacy to EU with the aim of their tricks, they say everything to Türkiye,They insult Turks, they try to force Türkiye to carry out their tricks...but when Türkiye rejects these, They make a big fuss that "But THİS is a COUNTRY WHO WISHES to MEMBER of EU!!" What a disgusting world...
                History is written by agreement of scientists and documents-evidences NOT by the decisions of councils or prejudices

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                • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

                  Originally posted by ArmenianKid
                  during the late 1800s various boston and new york newspapers printed over 600 stories about massacres and genocidal acts in the ottoman empire.
                  Then the word holocaust was used for the first time to describe what the turks were doing.

                  If we armenians are lying, thank god our friends we never talked to hundreds of thousands of miles away were in on the lie to!
                  Hmmmm... the story is getting more strange, it remids me another story ; At first the number of massacred Armanians was claimed 400.000, then it was 700.000,and now 1,5 million
                  Now, according to your allegation, the date of so called genocide (1914-1915) is about to change and also it may be named "the first genocide" in the history,
                  Everyone add this story another odd thing and I cant imagine 30 years later,but everyone is free in his opinion
                  thank you for informing me, if you have another information please, send me...
                  History is written by agreement of scientists and documents-evidences NOT by the decisions of councils or prejudices

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                  • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

                    Originally posted by Anonymouse
                    Just what have you "showed"? All you have showed was what appeared to be an attempt at having discussions and conference, and by no means a statement that the archives are open and ready for the historians to sift through..
                    OK,Suppose that you are right I dont show anything and Türkiye only seemed to be attempt,but at least armenians can support this attempt by suggesting another opinions instead of refuse.Or else Why armenians waiting for Türkiye about any attempt.Why armenians say that "we want to have an international comission in which indipendent historians will duscuss this issue,so that armenians's rightness will be proven all over the world" and if Türkiye refuse this suggestion,everyone will see that the side avoiding discussing realities is Türkiye. why do you always expect that Only Turkiye should suggest something. By suggesting a discussion platform,you have a chance to make Türkiye in difficulty!

                    Originally posted by Anonymouse
                    Since you cannot engage in a discussion, and since you seem to already know all the answers to everything with a predetermined mind, why are you here?..
                    Im here, couse I want to explain my opinions on a subject
                    I engage in discussions; there are a few kinds of discussions, in one you claim something about a subject and the other side refuse some parts but agree with you in some aspects.In the others one claim something and the only otherone can agree with him in certain aspects.the other discussion, one side defense only his idea or allegation and so does the other side.
                    I want to say that I have never insulted anyone of you or used a swearword to someone so far, I only try to explain my opinions, yes maybe sometimes my writings seem sarcastical or excited, but it may result from not existing any person so interested in this subject and opposide side so far.
                    History is written by agreement of scientists and documents-evidences NOT by the decisions of councils or prejudices

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                    • Re: What would have happened today if the Armenians were not displaced from Turkey?

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