Face of denial (???)

[bell-the-cat]

Of course it isn't a forgery - as if pro-Armenian Genocide propogandists were there in Germany during WWII trying to push their point. The quote is proven accurate in mutiple ways and is entirely consistent with other known and undisputed quotes from Hitler along similar lines concerning the Armenians. I find it curious that certain individuals seem to go out of their way to find fault with every known Armenian Genocide scholar and position and seem to have an old world European perspective that us "darkies" are somehow inferior and incapable and that only Anglo-Saxons can figure things out and think for themselves. Poooie.

I could reply to the above something along the lines of "I know that most of you New-World darkies can't find the effort to distinguise truth from special-interest-group manipulation and sound-bite propaganda (the ignoring of Old World European advice over Iraq leading to 2000+ of your dead in Iraq proves that). But you make a nice living out of their acceptance of propaganda, don't you? So the "Hitler" quote sound-bite might go down well with Mr Average American Joe, but us superior Europeans would just laugh at it."

[skhara]

If it is proven to be genuine after all this time I'd be surprised. And you'd loose your anonimity!
But we've gone through this before - so you know I think the alleged quote is, in its current status, a distracting irrelevance.

Steve,

You have to understand that most people are not normal, like me, but physchotic, like winoman . There are some physchological blocks that get planted in peoples brains essentially building a box and not allowing them to see anything outside it. And by the way, you Europeans are not so much smarter than us dumb Americans. A typical European will have the same typical response as a typical American. Nazi=Hitler=Evil. So if you want sympathy for your cause, than compare yourself to a J-e-w, and your enemy to Hitler and NAZIs. So is it not surprising that some choose to jump at the opportunity of see "look what Hitler said"? You say it is irrelevant. Sure, for you maybe. In the context of interests, geopolitics, and geostragy, for me, definitely. But for masses out there, its perfect if you are trying garner sympathy.

Although, I do believe that Hitler knew of Armenians. And to me, his comments about Armenians are of nothing more than historical interest.

"The German people will end up becomming just like the Armenians."

Another interesting one:
"once so proud people as the Persians, who now had to continue their miserable existance as Armenians."

[wohlkahn]

Take a tip - look up "photomontage" in Google.
It obviously wasn't meant to be a real depiction of a real event. The only question is if it was an appropriate medium to convey the message. Maybe if the photomontage was more sophisticated it would have been - but the creator was no John Heartfield.

People are you all crazy or something? How can you all defend yourself so easily??? I wouldnt have even think of a cheap answer like this.
So you all think this is so easy to explain. A bunch of jerkwater professors misusing the MAN we all Tu.rks admire the most, to support their fabrication claims. Since you are all brainwashed armenians who dont really know the real character of this MAN, you are NEVER gonna understand how it is so painful for us Turk.s to see that. So the next time bell the cat, come with a better explanation .

[cumanicus]

After I joined this forum and read your posts I don't believe your sorrow for the tragedy that your grandparents faced at 1915. I am sorry for the losses of Armenians at 1915 and the brutal ways of CUP. But after 90 years it is so sad to observe that grandchildrens of those people have turned their ancestors pains into a hobby, a kind of game.

[bell-the-cat]

People are you all crazy or something? How can you all defend yourself so easily??? I wouldnt have even think of a cheap answer like this.
So you all think this is so easy to explain. A bunch of jerkwater professors misusing the MAN we all Tu.rks admire the most, to support their fabrication claims. Since you are all brainwashed armenians who dont really know the real character of this MAN, you are NEVER gonna understand how it is so painful for us Turk.s to see that. So the next time bell the cat, come with a better explanation .

Ahh ...so it is not (as you initially implied) that you are objecting to the poster because you think it is purporting to be a real photograph, but only because it incorporates your "sacred cow" Ataturk. If it were a generic photo of a Turkish person that had been used it would have been OK then, would it?

Here is an idea for those skilled with photoshop and who want to make mischief , why not have Ataturk depicted doing something really controversial, like fu**ing one (or all) of his adopted "daughters", or busy forging documents to stitch up his political opponents, or secretly engaging in Hebrew rituals.

[bell-the-cat]

Steve,

You have to understand that most people are not normal, like me, but physchotic, like winoman . There are some physchological blocks that get planted in peoples brains essentially building a box and not allowing them to see anything outside it. And by the way, you Europeans are not so much smarter than us dumb Americans. A typical European will have the same typical response as a typical American. Nazi=Hitler=Evil. So if you want sympathy for your cause, than compare yourself to a J-e-w, and your enemy to Hitler and NAZIs. So is it not surprising that some choose to jump at the opportunity of see "look what Hitler said"? You say it is irrelevant. Sure, for you maybe. In the context of interests, geopolitics, and geostragy, for me, definitely. But for masses out there, its perfect if you are trying garner sympathy..

Yes, that is all true, and it is exactly what I think as well.

But you have to admit that the alleged Hitler quote is not only being used in that way - it is not being used just for the masses. It is being used in literature intended for people who are perfectly able to distinguise truth from fiction, and are perfectly able to absorbe that truth without the aid of oversimplifications and catchy soundbites like the Hitler quote. So it demeans the value of that literature, and its mesage, for that reason.

Someone who uses that particular Hitler quote to me is, in effect, insulting my intelligence. It would be better to risk alienating the "masses" with overly-dense facts, than alienate the "intelligencia" by being overly-simplistic.

Although, I do believe that Hitler knew of Armenians. And to me, his comments about Armenians are of nothing more than historical interest.

"The German people will end up becomming just like the Armenians."

Another interesting one:
"once so proud people as the Persians, who now had to continue their miserable existance as Armenians."

Sure, obviously he knew. He, and every politician, and indeed every adult in Europe and America who was alive during the First World War period and its aftermath, would have known of the Genocide. Those other Hitler quotes are interesting - the fact that Hitler was trying to take universal lessons out of Armenian history just shows how widely disseminated that knowledge was.

[Fadix3]

Yes, that is all true, and it is exactly what I think as well.

But you have to admit that the alleged Hitler quote is not only being used in that way - it is not being used just for the masses. It is being used in literature intended for people who are perfectly able to distinguise truth from fiction, and are perfectly able to absorbe that truth without the aid of oversimplifications and catchy soundbites like the Hitler quote. So it demeans the value of that literature, and its mesage, for that reason.

Someone who uses that particular Hitler quote to me is, in effect, insulting my intelligence. It would be better to risk alienating the "masses" with overly-dense facts, than alienate the "intelligencia" by being overly-simplistic.



Sure, obviously he knew. He, and every politician, and indeed every adult in Europe and America who was alive during the First World War period and its aftermath, would have known of the Genocide. Those other Hitler quotes are interesting - the fact that Hitler was trying to take universal lessons out of Armenian history just shows how widely disseminated that knowledge was.

Steve, Hitler speech was not about the xxxs, I don't see how then, it could link the Armenian genocide to the Holocaust. Like if Hitlers army needed an example to do whatever they wanted. That statment about the Armenians was in the context of success, how brutal wars might be, and how much lives might be sacrified, killed etc. to succeed, once succeed, people ignored the bad things and only remember the good ones.

About the British archive, I am not finding anything new, just the record in the British archive I talked about in the past.

[wohlkahn]

Here is an idea for those skilled with photoshop and who want to make mischief , why not have Ataturk depicted doing something really controversial, like fu**ing one (or all) of his adopted "daughters", or busy forging documents to stitch up his political opponents, or secretly engaging in Hebrew rituals.

Keep on showing your ugly face. This is the best thing you can do...

[wohlkahn]

After I joined this forum and read your posts I don't believe your sorrow for the tragedy that your grandparents faced at 1915. I am sorry for the losses of Armenians at 1915 and the brutal ways of CUP. But after 90 years it is so sad to observe that grandchildrens of those people have turned their ancestors pains into a hobby, a kind of game.

I totally agree my friend. Here you can find more forgeries...

http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/armenian/distortedphoto.htm

[Sip]

I totally agree my friend. Here you can find more forgeries...

Doesn't look like you agree