The Armenian Genocide - My Perspective

[Armenian]

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Well given the recent developments here, I think its time to bump this thread.

What happened?

[TomServo]

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What happened?

Influx of ՏԱՃԻԿs.

[Armenian]

Re: The Armenian Genocide - My Perspective

Influx of ՏԱՃԻԿs.

There seems to be a fresh infestation of Turds in this board...

[TomServo]

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There seems to be a fresh infestation of Turds in this board...

As I said in the turd poll thread, they arrive in hordes.

[Armenian]

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As I said in the turd poll thread, they arrive in hordes.

The administration here needs to put a stop to this infestation. Many of the members here are beginning to complain and some are even talking about leaving this discussion board as a result.

[KarotheGreat]

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I was thinking about leaving and finding a other forum but after message from Armenian I realised I need to stay and fight them and get them out of our forum

[Armenian]

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Here is an excellent "documentary" that all Armenians need to watch and ponder.

It is well produced and it has something for everyone. It covers Armenian Nazis working for Hitler, it covers Armenian terrorists, it covers Armenian cannibalism, it covers the Armenian genocide of Turks, it also has stupid Armenians (like the old man they found at Tsitsernakabert), and it depicts Armenian w-h-o-r-e-s (like Mutafian)... In essence, this "documentary" film clearly depicts the fundamental reasons why Armenians and Turks will never reconcile.

Armenian So-Called Genocide

Episode 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCmg7AdM1tU

Episode 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6YJwHR8aXw

Episode 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Q77jAaIhk

Episode 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0kWla0UFs

Episode 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_p7lh2m8Vw

Episode 6 http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?ne...%3DEBOCDvIVMpE

Episode 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdW7cOknKmk

[Armenian]

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It is pointless for us Armenians to discuss the Armenian Genocide with Turks.

In my opinion, there are three things we Armenians need to know about Turks:

1) Armenians want somethings from Turks that Turks will never give up on their own.

2) It is not in the national interest of Turkey to have a strong and prosperous Armenian neighbor.

3) Turks are simply Asiatic squatters in Anatolia.

Based upon my experiences, there are essentially three kinds of Turks:

The good: This kind wants to whitewash their role within the Armenian Genocide. This kind does apologize, but say we need to simply move on and forget about our lands and reparations - they claim too much time has passed.

The bad: This kind claims it was just a nasty war and Armenians died because Armenians back stabbed Turks by siding with Russians. And they go on to say - forget about your lands and reparations, it was war and you lost.

The Ugly: This kind simply insults and says they will do "it" again if need be and that - we should forget about any reparations and our lands.

The bottom line is: All Turks, regardless of personality and ethics, want us Armenians to forget about what happened during the Armenian Genocide. They also want us to forget about our lost lands and they want us to give-up on any reparations. What's more, it is obvious that Turkey will never want a prosperous Armenia on her border.

However, we Armenians are not about to forget our western lands, we are not about to forget our long over-due reparations and we will not forget that the blood of our martyred ancestors remain unavenged. All crimes need appropriate punishment. Thus, sooner or later, the Turk will be made to pay - one way or another.

Therefore, why debate anything with Turks?

[Mos]

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very intriguing post, Armenian, very informative, I also have some stories about relatives during the Armenian Genocide. However, when I was in 7th grade I remember that this person came in, as a guest, and began to talk about the Armenian Genocide to the whole school. It was the first time, people in the class had ever heard of it (they had heard of the xxxish Holacaust numerous times though, untill the point that they could write a book on every detail).

[Armenian]

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A Typical Dialog a Typical Armenian Will Have With a Typical Turk:

A typical Turk is going to start by asking: What is the problem with your people regarding us Turks?

A typical Armenian is going to reply: Turks persecuted their loyal Armenian subjects to the point of extinction within Anatolia.

The Turk is going to reply: No way, your people had a great life living under the progressive Ottoman Turks.

The Armenian is going to respond: There was a systematic genocide of the Armenian population within Anatolia and Cilicia by the Turkish authorities during the First World War.

The Turk is going to reply: There was a major war at the time and many people died on both sides. Turks suffered just as much as Armenians. So please, let's all move ahead in our lives. Besides which, that was so long ago...

The Armenian is going to respond: No. No. No. You are not being fair nor honest, a lot more Armenians died at the time. What happened to Armenians back then was absolutely horrible, my grandparents still talk about it to this day.

The Turk is going to reply: Well, if Turks overreacted at the time, it's only because you Armenians were helping the Russians and stabbing us Turks in the back.

The Armenian is going to respond: Not all Armenians were helping the Russians, only a few nationalist revolutionaries who were seeking independence. Why did Turks kill or deport the entire Armenian population of Anatolia and Cilicia?

The Turk is going to reply: Well, you know what, I was not there. I don’t know what exactly happened. In any case, please allow me to say that I am very sorry all that stuff happened to your people. I am really-really sorry, but we Turks are different now, times are different now, let's move ahead in our lives, it will benefit us all.

The Armenian is going to respond: Yes, let's move ahead. But it is essential that your government officially apologizes and begins to implement friendly policies toward the Armenian nation. Also, why is your government openly helping the Azeris against us? That problem in Nagorno Karabagh should have nothing to do with Armenia's relations with Turkey.

The Turk is going to reply: As far as the Nagorno Karabagh issue is concerned, we support the territorial integrity of all nations, including that of our cousins, the Azeris. Clearly, you Armenians are the aggressors there. However, I do not want to talk about that problem right now. Let's get back to 'our' issue. Turks will not officially apologize because they are afraid of land and money compensations. You have to understand that Turkey is not a rich nation and we are not about to give away our lands.

At this point, there are some Armenian low-lives who would reply: Very well, but please, even if it's some kind of a token recognition and compensation, it needs to be made in order to appease the masses who are still suffering from a post-traumatic conditions brought upon by the genocide.

And at this point, the Turk will get encouraged by the Armenian response and say: My government has similar problem with the Kurds and the Greek. Thus, no such compensation can be acceptable for us Turks. Please people, accept our sincere apologies and let's move a head in life, we don't have another choice.

The Armenian low-lives will respond: Well, ok, as long as we can be good neighbors and have no more problems, we will accept your apology and we will look forward to being your neighbors.

And at this point, Armenian nationalists will tell Turks: Go to hell, you and your Azeri cousins, we will not rest until your nation is destroyed. After what happened between our nations, Turks and Armenians can never again live side-by-side. What's more, as long as the Turkish government occupies our sacred lands, as long as the Turkish government supports our enemies, as long as the blood of our ancestors are not avenged somehow, there cannot even be any discussions regarding 'coexistence' between Turks and Armenians.

The point is, discussions about the Armenian Genocide with Turks are senseless exercises in futility. Such debates, more often than not, degenerate to the point that it only serves to undermine the national ideology and cohesiveness of us Armenians. Nevertheless, the fundamental answer of all self-respecting Armenians to every single Turkic inquiry regarding Turko-Armenian relations is a simple one: There was a historic crime perpetrated by Turks against the Armenian people that yet needs to be punished. All crimes, regardless of severity, needs to get punished accordingly. That is how the universal order works, that is how rational works, that is how human behavior works.

Through my experiences, I have noticed that there are two fundamental types of Turks regarding their ideological approach to the Armenian Genocide. The first type (most probably the majority): Is very satisfied with what happened to the Armenians during the First World War and, moreover, would not hesitate one bit at attempting it again (as we have seen on countless occasions during the past fifteen years). The other type (who is essentially subservient to the first type): Just wants to whitewash and make excuses for what happened back then and wants us to move forward.

I far as I am concerned, its simple: We move forward by punishing, sooner or later, the guilty nation that committed the barbaric crime. Nevertheless, this cannot happen by trying to "reconcile" with those who still wish us dead. Speak to me about reconciliation with Turks when the Turkish state is reduced to rubble - then and only then will I even consider reconciliation with a Turk.

As I keep repeating: "well meaning" Turks need to preach to their primitive brethren - NOT US. I, personally, do not want engage in futile practices such as explaining and convincing anything to any moron that does not know the obvious. The bottom line is: just a few decades ago there was a large Armenian population living within its native lands and today - there are none. It's that simple. Therefore, I do not want to engage in verbal gymnastics by discussing "why did it happen," "how did it happen," "what was the exact number of dead," "who was responsible," "how do we move forward..."