Did Armenian casualties amount to 1.5 million?

[Sip]

Re: Did Armenian casualties amount to 1.5 million?

What if a turk comes in here & causes no problems & wants to learn about Armenia & Armenians.

There has never been such a case that I am aware of... at least not in the few years I've been here. And there have been many turks that have showed up here so it is possible to extraplote with some confidence.

The extrapolation of the data says, the Turks that show up here have no interest in "discussing" or "learning" anything. They are only here to repeat the bull their Goverment has told them since their birth.

[MrLeftyHye]

Re: Did Armenian casualties amount to 1.5 million?

Sip Yes I agree Im just sayingwhat if a Turk comes in here & wants to learn Armenian?

[Sip]

Re: Did Armenian casualties amount to 1.5 million?

Yah we can also make a thread and this discuss what if all the molecules in my body line up in such a way that I can walk right through a brick wall ...

We could consider all those "IF's" but I think we'll be a lot better off considering and discussing the kinds of "if's" that are far more likely

[RSNATION]

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Sip Yes I agree Im just sayingwhat if a Turk comes in here & wants to learn Armenian?

Did I just read that?!?!? That has about as much chance of happening as God proclaiming L. Ron Hubbard the new Messiah.

[Anonymouse]

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We aren't being hostile we are just trying to talk and communicate. You think we are barbarians who know no manner and violent people but it is always easy to sit in front of the computer and accuse the Turkish people for crimes they did not do.

There is being sincere and genuinely interested in discussion, and then there is the facade of somehow appearing to be non-confrontational and sincere but underneath, the motive and intent is subtly evident, which represents nothing more than merely to copy and paste all the information you have and an attempt to not engage in a discussion, but simply rile things up. Such actions do not need to be overt, but in this case are covert.

[Anonymouse]

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I thank you for these words. Nevertheless you shouldn't forget the fact that Ottoman Empire s rule over Anatolia was better for minorities (Armenians being a majority on eastern Anatolia) than Bizantium Empire. And if my ancestors were so barbaric then why did the Armenians help them in thier fight against the Bizantium Empire ??

And are you forgetting the Armenians in Byzantium that helped that empire during wars? You must forget that during wars all people under that imperial rule, whether out of necessity or otherwise, owe allegiance to the ruling power, in other words, choice is not much of a factor, so your point is moot.

[Anonymouse]

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and also why had armanians lived with "barbaric" turks for 600 years ?
Why were there many armenians who are deputy, minister and manager in some goverment services in "barbaric" Ottoman Empire ?

This is a non-sequitur. Everytime a Turk comes here and talks about how Armenians were this or that in the Ottoman Empire or held this or that post. But so what? That only begs the question. All these things are irrelevant since all these people were eventually wiped out. We may as well argue about Hitler's Joowish soldiers, who Joos who held prestiguous positions in Germany. You are talking about apples and oranges.

Furthermore, just because some (and I say some because the Armenians that did occupy high positions were few and far in between, with the vast majority of Armenians being an agricultural people always at the constant threat of Kurdish and Turkic marauders). Are you forgetting the millet? The open discrimination? The tax on the Christian minorities? Their testimony in court being secondary to that of a Muslim Turk? Oh please, save your talk about how Armenians had it so great in Turkey. Yea, no one denies some had it really great, but so what? That really doesn't factor into the argument here.

[Aurathen]

Re: Did Armenian casualties amount to 1.5 million?

This is a non-sequitur. Everytime a Turk comes here and talks about how Armenians were this or that in the Ottoman Empire or held this or that post. But so what? That only begs the question. All these things are irrelevant since all these people were eventually wiped out. We may as well argue about Hitler's Joowish soldiers, who Joos who held prestiguous positions in Germany. You are talking about apples and oranges.

Furthermore, just because some (and I say some because the Armenians that did occupy high positions were few and far in between, with the vast majority of Armenians being an agricultural people always at the constant threat of Kurdish and Turkic marauders). Are you forgetting the millet? The open discrimination? The tax on the Christian minorities? Their testimony in court being secondary to that of a Muslim Turk? Oh please, save your talk about how Armenians had it so great in Turkey. Yea, no one denies some had it really great, but so what? That really doesn't factor into the argument here.

Those taxes were collected from non muslims and the revenues were used in protecting the rights of christians and making sure they could go to church and live without having any difficulties.

[RSNATION]

Re: Did Armenian casualties amount to 1.5 million?

Those taxes were collected from non muslims and the revenues were used in protecting the rights of christians and making sure they could go to church and live without having any difficulties.

You're joking, right?

Sort of like when a bully collects "protection money" from the kids in the playground.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Did Armenian casualties amount to 1.5 million?

Those taxes were collected from non muslims and the revenues were used in protecting the rights of christians and making sure they could go to church and live without having any difficulties.

That is a purely illusory outlook. Not a historian in the world support the claim that somehow the Christian minorities in the millet were not heavily taxed relative to their Muslim superiors.