Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

[Էլիա]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

Well, of course the Hitler quote isn't the only evidence there is.

[skhara]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

Well, of course the Hitler quote isn't the only evidence there is.

Its not evidence at all.

[skhara]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

Azeris are building a good army with more than 500.000 soldiers. Guess why?

No no. To paraphrase a Russian general. Armenians have an army, Azeris have an armed force.

They'll need a lot more than a 10:1 advantage, and they'll have to be prepared to take massive casualties.

Whats the relevance of this anyway?

[karoaper]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

Some Armenian activists are real idiots. This F---n "Hitler quote" needs to be dropped from mention by Armenians.

By the way karo, that dated quote I believe.

First of all I didn't get your meaning. Which quote was dated, and what do you by dated?

Second of all, I'm not sure who you were referring to as idiots, but I'm surprised that you think every little bit of pushing forward our point in the international arena is idiocy. Notice that nothing was made to parallel with the Holocaust. While not a proof, the authenticity of the quote brings forth yet another testimony of the genocide, and from the head of Turkey's main ally no less.

[Selpak]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

Well, the Turkey has records of the orders and memoirs of the Genocide I think, but there are some records that Turkey doesn't have...

Turkey has records of fake Armenian orders. Order's fakeness has proven from many angle.

There's even American newspapers that say that many Armenians are being killed during World War I... There are many interviews of survivors of the Armenian Genocide...

Yes. There are many newspapers from many countries that say Turks were being killed during WW 1. There are many interviews of survivors of the Turkish Genocide. You can find them in youtube, I guess.

And by the way, the thing about the "Armenian Terror" is only propoganda, because yes, Armenians did kill Turks because of the unfair rights and taxes that were put upon them just because they were Christian,

Ok. Next time if one of your family member is killed in random fire in street, you can call it whatever you want. But it is terror. Btw, which unfair taxes and rights you are talking about in 1915.

3 million Turks weren't killed by Armenians...

1.5 million Armenians were killed, right?

[skhara]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

First of all I didn't get your meaning. Which quote was dated, and what do you by dated?

The one that it referenced to the newspaper. The other one, about the death head units and the Poles is bull. And I'll tell you why.

For one, a quote could never be 'hottly contested', if there is a clear and undeniable document that shows it.

Two, Goering was described to have jumped on a table giving "Seig Heils" and "Heil Hitler's". Keep in mind, that this is describing a very fat man.

Three, while its true the German forces committed many atrocities in Poland, there is no recorded event of German forces actually carrying out "the Fuhrer's" order.

Second of all, I'm not sure who you were referring to as idiots,

Some Armenian activists who place the AG into "holocaust themes".

but I'm surprised that you think every little bit of pushing forward our point in the international arena is idiocy.

But this isn't a bit that pushes our point forward. By way of certain activists who have irresponsibly peddled these "holocaust themes", it only gives turks a chance to hang up on specific claims while completely ignoring relevancies.

Is it any wonder why they peddle the same exact denial themes, and when these are answered they only repeat the same crap. And yet they can just jump all over this "hitler quote"?

Notice that nothing was made to parallel with the Holocaust. While not a proof, the authenticity of the quote brings forth yet another testimony of the genocide

I am confused as to exactly what supports the claim that it is authentic?

, and from the head of Turkey's main ally no less.

The third Reich was Turkeys ally?

By the way, do you see what I mean? Why the hell are we even debating it?

[skhara]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

Yes. There are many newspapers from many countries that say Turks were being killed during WW 1.

Russian newspapers who praise their victories over barbaric hordes?

[Էլիա]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

Turkey has records of fake Armenian orders. Order's fakeness has proven from many angle.

Yes. There are many newspapers from many countries that say Turks were being killed during WW 1. There are many interviews of survivors of the Turkish Genocide. You can find them in youtube, I guess.

Ok. Next time if one of your family member is killed in random fire in street, you can call it whatever you want. But it is terror. Btw, which unfair taxes and rights you are talking about in 1915.

1.5 million Armenians were killed, right?

What do you mean fake Armenian orders? I'm talking about the orders made by the Turkish government. Even if it is true that Turks were being killed during WW1, it didn't have to necessarily be Armenians and if it was, like I said millions of times, it's because of protection or from unfair treatment. There's a difference between calling something a terror and calling something a genocide, OK? And the "Armenian Terror" or whatever you want to call it, was caused by the Armenian Genocide or caused by events before that, for example unfair treatment, which brings me to my next rebuttle. The unfair taxes and rights I'm talking about (and no, they weren't only in 1915) are the extra taxes the minorities (like Greeks and Armenians) received for being Christian and being a minority and not being Turkish, etc. The unfair rights is pretty much the same cause (different religion and culture). The Armenians lived with this, until the taxes and unfair treatment increased when Greece became independent from the Ottoman Empire. Because of this loss of land, the Ottoman Empire knew that it had to stick with Anatolia at all costs. Then, there was a commonly accepted belief that the Christians were against the Muslims (which wasn't true) which caused stricter conditions for Armenians, and led to violence. Then, when the government saw that there were Armenians with the Russians in the war, it became outraged. But, the genocide began before this even, because the Turks already wanted to get rid of the Armenians to link the Ottoman Empire with Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, etc. and create a huge Turkish empire. But, the Armenians' alliance with the Russians added to the cause for the genocide. So, the Turkish government first gathered all the young Armenian men to "help in the war", but then the Turkish officials took away their weapons so that they would die. This eliminated the strong men. Then, the Turks arrested all the intelligent Armenians and killed them in April 24, 1915. This eliminated all the leaders. Now, all that remained were the old men, women, and children. Since only these remained, it made it easier for the Turks to eliminate them. So, the Turkish officials began telling the Armenians that they had to be "relocated" to a different place, and they started being deported into the desert, where many Armenians died from the journey, the massacres, from hiding in the sand, from drowning themselves in the Euphrates River to escape the torture , etc. But, there were villages that tried to fight back by rebelling, which might be part of the "Armenian Terror", and some villages won. Anyway, the Armenians also asked for help from Europeans by telling them that they were Christians in need of help, which might add to the "discrimination of Muslims" the Turks keep complaining about. Anyway, this is the Armenian Genocide, and the recently mentioned "Turkish Genocide" will never be accepted or even considered to be accepted! The Armenian Genocide is already recognized in newspapers, like the LA Times, it is beginning to become a part of 10th grade World History, it is recognized by many countries and most of the US states, and soon, it will be recognized by the US as a whole. The only reason the US is procrastinating is because of the relations with Turkey and how important it is, but that's just unfair and will be fixed soon enough. I rest my case. Thank you.

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

Yes. There are many newspapers from many countries that say Turks were being killed during WW 1. There are many interviews of survivors of the Turkish Genocide. You can find them in youtube, I guess.

youtube is full of biased, mindless, cr**. Give a better resource then that, like a book (something concrete and real) and maybe I will consider looking into what you have said. the only thing I can recall involving Turkish death only involves them being in wars or the events after the Russo-Turkish War in Bulgaria.

[Էլիա]

Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

youtube is full of biased, mindless, cr**. Give a better resource then that, like a book (something concrete and real) and maybe I will consider looking into what you have said. the only thing I can recall involving Turkish death only involves them being in wars or the events after the Russo-Turkish War in Bulgaria.

Exactly! Thank you sev zeytun! And besides, there is no proof that the Armenians killed all those Turks (if it's even true) and I already explained the reason(s) if they did.