Genocide Argument

[IvyLipstick]

MAYEWSKİ (Général)-Massacres by the Armenians against the Turks

LOTİ, Pierre-Les Massacres d'Arménie, 1918.

C.F. Dixon-Johnson-The Armenians, 1916

(Ivy this message is not for you and I do not want to read your racist genetical theories, so please do not answer)

HOw are my theories "racist?!" Just because you are stumped to confusion and were proved you know nothing of what you were spewing out?

Have you read what you wrote? Do you want me to pull up your posts and show you 1000 times where you were blantantly racist? I think you are running out of ammo, Tufan. Your brain is like strainining for things to say but as usual you spit out the least effective stuff.

RACIST LOL you should talk, you are the one here saying the genocide never occurred and you are deliberately demeaning the Armenian cause for it and if you had any oz of dignity or intelligence or class for that matter you would not get on an Armenian forum to defame Armenians for something your cowardly mongol ancestors did that you are guilty of but once again do not want to fess up. That comment you made about "racists" pertains to you and your Turks that killed these people and robbed them of their own land yet you still do not care to spare decency and at least apologize not get on an Armenian forum and deny and offend people with your turkish fictional propoganda that always fails to make sense. Keep going in circles I like the dizziness.

[IvyLipstick]

It is common sense that was never common in the Turk's cases obviously. If a Black person intercourses a White woman their child would carry the Black genes since dark always dominates light most of the time. How is that racist? Nevermind, that involved thinking on a higher level, something Turks and the other islamic tribes are not familiar with.

[IvyLipstick]

That is it, where is the moderator?! Tufan's presence is really annoying and all it does it stir up unnecessary controversy that we already as people have heard about.

[Fadix2]

MAYEWSKİ (Général)-Massacres by the Armenians against the Turks

LOTİ, Pierre-Les Massacres d'Arménie, 1918.

C.F. Dixon-Johnson-The Armenians, 1916

(Ivy this message is not for you and I do not want to read your racist genetical theories, so please do not answer)

Turfanig, I think your silence tells me alot. I have to conclude that you know me.

Mayewskis "reports" original is nowhere to be found(His so-called statistics were barrowed Ottoman numbers and did not coincide with Russian ones)... the only versions we have are those translated by Mehmed Sadik, at the Ottoman war intelligentsia headquarter... the French and English "versions" comes from the Turkish "translation" and in the english versions there are entire sentences that does not exist in the Turkish ones...

Now about Loti, here few comments by him.

"Allah has created from the same essence, the hare and the Armenian."

"The Armenians are Jews so Jewish - so much raptors, so much vultures and vampires-that the true Israelites, crushed by the Armenian concurrences, die literally of hunger in Turkey."

Do I need to add more? or perhaps maybe adding the fact that he was a supporter of Black slavery.

But even Loti doesn’t deny that what Armenians faced was an attempt to exterminate them. Before quoting him, let see the reasons he claims were the reason.

“I would almost dare to say that the Armenians are in Turkey like rodent worms in a fruit, draining with them all the gold, by any means, wear especially, like at one time the Jews in Russia. Into the most lost villages, to the extremities of the campaigns, one finds them, lending to the short week, and soon it is necessary to refund them, sell oxen and the plough, and then the soil, and then the family house. All that, it goes without saying, increases the exasperation which they already cause by this role that one allots to them, not without reason, to be continual informers which excite against Islam all the Christians, Catholics or Orthodox, and which brings all the Occident against the Turkish fatherland.”

Loti to start his commerce barrowed a lot of money from an Armenian, then he could just not refund him… he made a big story out of it…

Here is how he continues.

“But all these objections - and so much of others still - reasons to exterminate them? To God don't please if such an idea came to me one moment! On the contrary, if my humble voice had some chance to be heard, I would beg Europe, which delayed already too much, I would beg it to intervene, protect the Armenians and to isolate them…”

Is he denying? No he isn’t. This man that dressed like a Turk and even considered himself a Turk admits that what Armenians faced was an attempt to exterminate them. This racist individual that the Académie Française censured many times by deleting lines from his works because of his hateful slanders against nations, like Armenians… still admits what happened. This man that felt in love with a Turk(Turkish man, since he was homosexual, he tried to convert this man to a woman in his works, but for those that have read his works, they can understand his artistic way of admitting) while married to a woman that he never loved. I won’t continue more on this subject as it is irrelevant here… just to say that your quote from Loti doesn’t come from him, and if you knew about your own history you would know to what he was referring to when he said “Sun people.”

As for "Dixon-Johnson," believe me, you have no idea of what you are talking about.


Turfanig, when will you answer me? Just wait I compleat my system installation.

[dstyle]

Fedix and Ivy are kicking ass, no need for me to comment, jeez.

[Tufan]

"""""This man that felt in love with a Turk(Turkish man, since he was homosexual, he tried to convert this man to a woman in his works, but for those that have read his works, they can understand his artistic way of admitting) while married to a woman that he never loved."""""
Oh yes,This explains everything.Thanks.

So you imply that Mayewsky is fabricated??? Unfortunately there is only one fabricated document related the issue, which is your so called telegram about ordering genocide which is prooved that it is fabricated.

Dixon-Johnson-British writer eyewitnessed Armenian atrocities.

Please no offence and no defence anymore. Why don't you understand that I do not deny Armenians are killed. I accept it and said that I am really sorry and it is a shame for Turkish history.
BUT PLEASE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I SAY IS THAT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING LIKE HOLOCAUST BECAUSE ALSO ARMENIANS KILLED TURKS WHICH THERE ARE A LOT OF HISTORICAL AND ACADEMICAL SOURCE EXIST. SO DON'T ACCUSE US WITH SOMETHING LIKE GERMANS DID. THIS IS WHAT WE DID NOT DO AND THAT IS ALL WHAT I SAY.

**A personal note for Ivy OK, I accept that Turks are 3rd class race with cheap, Mongolian genes and Armenians are white, creamy, first quality european race Happy now?

Nice to meet you everybody, I understand your reactionary and really don't want to continue, please don't write offensive messages, or OK I will not take into account.

[Sip]

BUT PLEASE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I SAY IS THAT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING LIKE HOLOCAUST BECAUSE ALSO ARMENIANS KILLED TURKS WHICH THERE ARE A LOT OF HISTORICAL AND ACADEMICAL SOURCE EXIST. SO DON'T ACCUSE US WITH SOMETHING LIKE GERMANS DID. THIS IS WHAT WE DID NOT DO AND THAT IS ALL WHAT I SAY.

Edit: This isn't necessary.

Don't even begin to compare yourself to the Germans! At least they don't deny it.

[Tres Bien]

"Armenians are white, creamy"'



Thats right!

[dusken]

I will show you white and creamy.

(Someone had to say it.)

[Fadix2]

"""""This man that felt in love with a Turk(Turkish man, since he was homosexual, he tried to convert this man to a woman in his works, but for those that have read his works, they can understand his artistic way of admitting) while married to a woman that he never loved."""""
Oh yes,This explains everything.Thanks.

So you imply that Mayewsky is fabricated??? Unfortunately there is only one fabricated document related the issue, which is your so called telegram about ordering genocide which is prooved that it is fabricated.

Dixon-Johnson-British writer eyewitnessed Armenian atrocities.

Please no offence and no defence anymore. Why don't you understand that I do not deny Armenians are killed. I accept it and said that I am really sorry and it is a shame for Turkish history.
BUT PLEASE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I SAY IS THAT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING LIKE HOLOCAUST BECAUSE ALSO ARMENIANS KILLED TURKS WHICH THERE ARE A LOT OF HISTORICAL AND ACADEMICAL SOURCE EXIST. SO DON'T ACCUSE US WITH SOMETHING LIKE GERMANS DID. THIS IS WHAT WE DID NOT DO AND THAT IS ALL WHAT I SAY.

**A personal note for Ivy OK, I accept that Turks are 3rd class race with cheap, Mongolian genes and Armenians are white, creamy, first quality european race Happy now?

Nice to meet you everybody, I understand your reactionary and really don't want to continue, please don't write offensive messages, or OK I will not take into account.

Turfanig, Mayewsky IS fabricated.

Major Mehmet Sadik translation was titled:

"Van ve Bitlis Vilayetly Askeri Istatistigi" published in Istanbul in 1912 in the "Matbuayi Askeriye"... from Sadik the first French translation appeared by the intermedary of the Turkish embassy in Berlin and allegedly presented by Eugen Mittwoch for the German propaganda service for the Orient called "Nachrichtenstelle" that was founded and headed by Max Freiherr von Oppenheim. Then in a dilhema regarding the autenticity of the said "work," Mittwoch asked professor Martin Hartman, a specialist of Oriental studies, to evaluate it. The specialist concluded that the Russian and French portions in the columns involved did not match. The French portion were verbatim translations found in the turkish version forged by Hocaoglu. They took the forged Turkish version by Sadik rather than the Russian one(that presently is nowhere to be found). Hartman after analysing understood that the French version was a manipulation of an already manipulated Turkish version from parts "taken out of context." Due to the extrem manipulations he concluded that the French "translation" was "wertlos"(worthless).

Wangenheim identified major Mehmed Sadki, as an official of the Second Department at the Ottoman General Headquarters that was called "Intelligence Service(Istihbarat), the departement was headed by Lieutenant Colonel Seyfi that played a major role during the anti-Armenian measures, since he was one of the members of the "Teskilati Mahsus"(The special organisation, the equivalent of the "SS"). Not only this but he was one of the colaborators of the Polce Chief Bedri who was in charge of the liquidation of hundreds of Armenians of the Capital...

The service was in charge of the anti-Armenian propaganda and they were in charge of the periodical "Harb Mecmuasi"

The same service also produced other so-called Russian reports like the one of "Lieutenant Colonel Twerdo-Khlebof" often referred by Turkish sources. The so-called orginal of Twerdo-Khlebof is even not found in Russian archives but rather Turkish ones, deposited in the Archive of the Departement of History of the War, Section World War I 123, drawer 5, File 5-A-1/16, D.1.(Harp Tarihi Dairesi Arsivi, Dunya Harbi Dolabi 123, Goz 5, Dosya 5-A-1/16, D.1)

As for Dixon-Johnson, don't puch me there if you don't want to be rediculised.