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**Artsakhtsi** · 10-20-2003, 06:21 AM

Re: Armenians & Turks & Medz Yegern

Originally posted by disksoleil

Hi people,

i was trying to search the internet for some forums on which Turks discuss about the genocide and i have very interesting views to let you know about....

http://turkce.zurna.com/bb/viewthread.php3?fid=99&tid=647

in this link check the posting by 'terso' he suggests there has never been such a race called Armenian.... this knowledgeable smart dude says Armenian word comes from 'ormanli' (which means like people from forest, jungle etc) and that those ormanli people were a Turkish tribe who were living in forest and one day they cut each other with axes mistakenly and were killed all.

(is he serious, cant be...)

another person accepts that there was genocide and anpother one says there was no armenian in Anatolia ever... and someone really tries to wake 'terso' up... 'onursena' says Turks today are not even Turks at all now...

and another person with the ninja turtles avatar says actually Armenians tried to slaughter us...

someone else suggests that Vatican actually paid Armenians to create stories of genocide...

if any of you knows how to read Turkish, pay attention to what onursena wrote... he is a proof that not all of the Turks are ignorant after all

and after that check this website

http://www.ermeni.tv/htm/genel.htm

this website suggest that some Armenians were not innocent by then

i believe in this website the only recource to take into account is the pictures... the rest are the stories everyone knows

just look at the photos and confirm me are those behind the weapons Armenians or not?

( comment: the website is very drama drama right?

i mean the music and all... hehe )

to be continued

Hi,

I do not blame u ..... it's your people...u surtenly belive in every noncense they write ...it's logical that u do.
What i know, what i've been told(from ppl who actually survived 1915), what i read.... is based on facts and only !
Did u ever wondered....why it is just Azeri that r so solidary with Turks.... well coz those did the same...after all this years..... the history repeated it self..... I mean only animals...that r not able to think and mentaly ill ppl ... that r just sick ..... can do such a terrible actions !

What ASALA did .... well, not many armenians think that they were right...
Well i personaly do..... Sometimes..u just can not take it anymore..... and are forsed to act back ..... u call them whatever u like.... but this ppl are heros to me .....like ANDRANIK !

However, that forums that u have mantioned .... there are plenty of those..... where turks&azeri ppl just r not able to discuss, but insult and write dirty things .... they r best in doing that :!:

Those of u who accept, i respect ...

One more fact: :!:
I'm the child of ARTSAKH..... that u call Karabagh..... if u know the history., we had a war with Azerbajdzan ...... for those of u who don't know Artsakh e Mer ne ( it's ours, we took it back) ......

During the war, azeri ppl did many vandal action..such as distroyed armenian churches , Hachkhars.... and many others sacred and saint places...... however.....in Shushi(former Azeri town, present Artsakh's) there is a muslim mosque ...which was not destroyed by armenian people..... and there are 100000 of such examples . . . . . .

make a conclusion . . . .

:!: :!: :!:

**disksoleil** · 10-20-2003, 07:07 AM

hi arshakti,

i was manly trying to search for Turkish people who think the genocide happened....

i havent made much research on karabagh yet, but as far as i have seen, Turkish people are questioning themselves about genocide, meaning, they are wondering why there was not such an issue right after 1915 or at least around 1930s but they still try to believe that there must be a portion of people killed.... People really qould make a move about the genocide for it to be recognized even but wherever i search i found alot of insulting things about Turks everywhere, this makes us angry and disappointed, and why should i make such a move for these people is the first question i think of...

there was a website about genocide and when i went there all i saw was words like 'turks are animals, they cant be god's creations cos god wouldnt create such a disgusting creatyre and all' i can understand that people can be angry, but that surely is not the right way of talking...

you cant generalize an entire nation to be such people for a few's actions...

because Turks are not as u think... after all my nation was commented etc, i still dont hate you guys, cos anger is one of mankind's weaknesses... thats normal...

i hope oneday things will improve...

turks and armenians used to live together... why is the hatred now?

i am a very patriotic turk, even if some insulting websites including harsh words of you guys hurt my feelings, i am trying to see the positive side of things, i am ready to give and take about all things with you all...

i am here with honesty and good faith

it is up to you people to believe and accept

i will find about the case of karabagh later....

**Artsakhtsi** · 10-20-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by disksoleil

hi arshakti,

i was manly trying to search for Turkish people who think the genocide happened....

i havent made much research on karabagh yet, but as far as i have seen, Turkish people are questioning themselves about genocide, meaning, they are wondering why there was not such an issue right after 1915 or at least around 1930s but they still try to believe that there must be a portion of people killed.... People really qould make a move about the genocide for it to be recognized even but wherever i search i found alot of insulting things about Turks everywhere, this makes us angry and disappointed, and why should i make such a move for these people is the first question i think of...

there was a website about genocide and when i went there all i saw was words like 'turks are animals, they cant be god's creations cos god wouldnt create such a disgusting creatyre and all' i can understand that people can be angry, but that surely is not the right way of talking...

you cant generalize an entire nation to be such people for a few's actions...

because Turks are not as u think... after all my nation was commented etc, i still dont hate you guys, cos anger is one of mankind's weaknesses... thats normal...

i hope oneday things will improve...

turks and armenians used to live together... why is the hatred now?

i am a very patriotic turk, even if some insulting websites including harsh words of you guys hurt my feelings, i am trying to see the positive side of things, i am ready to give and take about all things with you all...

i am here with honesty and good faith

it is up to you people to believe and accept

i will find about the case of karabagh later....

Hi,

U don't have to find any links...to proof me something, especially the turkish links .... u insult us, we insult u back ...... it's a damn circle... and it won't be broken untill we solve that issue! ( i wrote about it to u http://www.armenianclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12502&highlight=#12502 .... )

"a potrion of ppl" :?: ... ucan not call 1,5 million ppl just a portion..... it's so wrong...
U know i'm tired to tell this over and over again....., there is nothing to talk about, we'll talk when your goverment will recognize the Genocide.....

I am a very patriotic Armenian....so we realy won't understand each other at 100% ..... it's impossible . . .

However, it's just a positive thing that we r able to discuss�this issue ....

U do your research about Artsakh (Karabagh) .... but do it for your self, coz i already know everything about it, i was born there...i saw the war.... my friends and relatives where in a army... and did what they had to do.... -protected our Country ! And plz don't waste your and my time by trying to proof me somth. else .

Bye Bye

**Artsakhtsi** · 10-20-2003, 01:09 PM

To disksoleil

hi,

Read this "Baron Dants" subjekt http://www.armenianclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12508#12508

**disksoleil** · 10-21-2003, 04:26 AM

hi, artshaktsi, i am not trying to prove you anything,
actually i wrote this topic to everyone not to only you,

the main purpose of it was to give a view of what happened in 1915 from another point of view...

so it did not have any intention of proving anything...

there is no insult up there

i dunno wat circle u talking about

**Anonymouse** · 10-22-2003, 11:09 PM

I don't see any official unbiased scientific sources for the mass graves.

**disksoleil** · 10-22-2003, 11:30 PM

i did not imply they were official anony, i said have a look at those stuff, it doesnt have the intention to prove anything also. just for reference.

**Anonymouse** · 10-22-2003, 11:35 PM

Re: Armenians & Turks & Medz Yegern

Originally posted by disksoleil

Hi people,

i was trying to search the internet for some forums on which Turks discuss about the genocide and i have very interesting views to let you know about....

http://turkce.zurna.com/bb/viewthread.php3?fid=99&tid=647

in this link check the posting by 'terso' he suggests there has never been such a race called Armenian.... this knowledgeable smart dude says Armenian word comes from 'ormanli' (which means like people from forest, jungle etc) and that those ormanli people were a Turkish tribe who were living in forest and one day they cut each other with axes mistakenly and were killed all.

(is he serious, cant be...)

First off Armenians are not a "race". Second of all the earliest reference to Armenains come from the Persians themselves, the Achaemenids in 520 B.C. refer to this region that they had just conquered and the people inhabiting it as "Armina" which is only seperated by linquistic differences. I won't even go into Herodotus or Strabo. But what the above is is Turkish governments historical fiction, attempting to create history where there was none.

**disksoleil** · 10-22-2003, 11:43 PM

hi again anony, i did not know Armenian come from the persian, thanks for enlightening me

http://turkce.zurna.com/bb/viewthread.php3?fid=99&tid=647

this link does not have anything to do with government, it is just a forum.

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