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  • MUST READ: Talaat Pasha's Black Book with Numbers Deported

    Translated by The Genocide Archive Project

    Title: Here is the Truth in the Black Covered Book
    From a series appearing in the Istanbul daily Hurriyet, 25 April 2005
    By Murat Bardakci

    Prime Minister Talaat Pasha had carefully recorded the post 1915 population
    movements and statistics in a 10x15 cm size notebook, kept with care to this
    day by his wife Hayriye and Talaat’s granddaughter Aysegul Bafrali.

    According to Talaat Pasha’s notes, the number of Armenians subjected to
    mandatory deportations in accordance with the “Temporary Deportation Law”
    issued on 27 May 1915 is 924,158.
    The city where the exile was enforced the
    most extensively was Sivas with 141,592 people, while the province of Konya
    was the least with 4,381 people.

    The figures about the Armenian deportations make up the third section of
    Talaat Pasha’s black covered notebook. The Pasha first notes the number of
    Armenians that were subjected to mandatory deportations on the pages devoted to the deportations. Then, he provides a list of how many Armenians and the
    provinces of the Empire against which the Law of Deportations were enforced.

    Later in the notebook, the breakdown of Armenian orphans not deported is
    given per province, followed by a summary of the buildings, real estate,
    farms, mines and franchises left behind by or expropriated from Armenians.

    According to Talaat Pasha’s notes, the number of Armenians subjected to
    mandatory deportations in accordance with the “Temporary Deportation Law”
    issued on 27 May 1915 is 924,158. The city where the exile was enforced the
    most extensively was Sivas with 141,592 people while the province of Konya
    was the least with 4,381 people.

    However, it can be seen that the Pasha shows 270 fewer deportees in one of
    the provinces.

    THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT OF THE DEPORTATIONS

    Being a primary document on the Armenian deportations, the above list appears in the black covered book of Prime Minister Talaat Pasha as shown.
    After this page comes a breakdown of the orphans and a summary of the
    buildings, real estate, farms, mines and franchises left behind by the
    Armenians.

    Talaat Pasha Joins the Debate 90 Years Later

    The Prime Minister “the Minister of the Interior and the architect of the
    Deportations” Talaat Pasha, is speaking today for the first time since the
    events of 1915 exactly 90 years ago and taking part in the deportation
    discussions with documents in his private archive that haven’t been published up to now!

    Yesterday, I had written the following on my page in my introduction of
    the article series as well. The deportation numbers and other information
    found in this series are based upon a 10x15 cm size notebook I took with the
    intention of publishing from Talaat Pasha’s wife Hayriye and Talaat’s
    granddaughter Aysegul Bafrali that belonged to the Pasha and other documents
    of his that have been with me for years. The black covered book in which the Pasha had the post 1915 population movements and statistics recorded
    has three parts: the Muslim refugees, the Armenian deportees, those Greeks
    and Arabs that likewise have been deported for anti-state activities and
    the real-estate that was left behind by the non-Muslims.

    At the very start of the series, I must draw your attention to one matter:

    Due to the lack of essential, realistic studies on these subjects up to now,
    the numbers in the black covered notebook of Talaat Pasha and his other
    documents may sound very strange or even high to some of us. However, with
    every single one of them being a primary source, these numbers are like
    defense exhibits against the ˜genocide” accusations full of exaggerated
    figures.

    Let the willingly ignorant among us who say, “We not only slaughtered the
    Armenians but the Kurds too. Let us apologize for the genocide we perpetrated and let the issue be settled” cast no shadow and let our
    academics lay the shallow “we didn’t kill them; they killed us” aside
    and take a learned approach.

    Let Leylegian rest assured. We turned Talat Pasha’s tomb into a dump.

    You must have seen it in the newspapers: the president of the organization
    based in Brussels called ˜European Armenian Federation”, Laurent Leylegiyan,
    made some strange demands last week from the Turkish government.

    Evidenced by his demands that betray a complete harmony between his name and
    his mindset, Mr. Leylekyan wanted the demolition of the mausoleum of Talaat
    Pasha in Istanbul, and a change to street names named after ˜Talaat” and “Enver”; and the closing of the museums showing the Armenian crimes against the Turks; and the laws banning the mention of the “genocide”.

    After reading Leylegian’s drivel, I remembered an old Iranian saying,
    'Diváne rá kalem nist', in other words, “˜the fool will not be charged for
    sinning” and laughed. However, what I saw in the vicinity of Sisli turned
    my smile into a bitter grimace and I thought we had already carried out
    some of Leylegian’s demands on our own.

    Yesterday morning I went to photograph the tomb of Talaat Pasha on the Hill
    of Eternal Liberty at Sisli for the purpose of using the pictures in the
    series and instead of a tomb, I came across a dump! As if a new revolt had
    taken place at the site where the mausoleums of Talaat, Enver, Mahmut Sevket, and Midhat Pashas along with the martyred soldiers in the revolt of
    March 31 are found. The lock of the mausoleum below the monument was broken and the tomb downstairs had now become the destination for drunkards. The
    tombs in the park were being used as beer cases. In short, everything was heart rending.

    The same place was in the same shape days before the reinterring of Enver Pasha’s ashes from Tajikistan. After I had brought the situation to light,
    it was hastily cleaned up but following the funeral of the Pasha, all had
    returned to the same routine.

    Let the president of European Armenian Federation, Laurent Leylegian, rest
    assured and not go through the trouble of making such demands of the Turkish
    government. As long as the Metropolitan Municipality which is in charge of
    the Hill of Eternal Liberty maintain its indifference, there will not
    remain a any evidence of the tombs “ not only Talaat Pasha“ but also those
    martyrs who are in their eternal sleep here, unless the site is turned over
    to the Military!

    He was a Postal Clerk but Became a Prime Minister

    You must surely know of Talaat Pasha, for whom we have been naming boulevards, streets, neighborhoods and schools, but let me briefly remind you anyway.

    His full name being Mehmed Talaat, Talaat Pasha was born in Edirne on 20
    August 1874. He lost his father at a young age and entered the Postal and
    Telegraphic service to feed his family. He became a founder of Ittihad &
    Terakki. He was arrested for his activities against the regime of Abdul
    Hamid and was jailed for 25 months and then was exiled to Salonica.

    Employed as a mailman here, Mehmed Talaat was elected to Parliament from Edirne after the proclamation of the Second Constitution in 1908. He was made Interior Minister in the cabinet of Hussein Hilmi Pasha, and Minister of Postal and Telegraph Service in the cabinet of Kucuk Said Pasha. Talaat was one of the planners of the raid on the Sublime Porte on 23 January
    1913, and one of the three top leaders of the Ittiahad & Terakki Party
    together with Enver and Jemal Pashas. He became the Interior Minister once
    again in the cabinet of Said Halim Pasha created on June 13, and personally
    oversaw the Armenian deportations in 1915. He was made prime minister on 4
    February 1917 and received the title “pasha”.

    Having resigned on 8 October 1918, upon our defeat in WWI, Talaat Pasha left
    Turkey with the other Ittihad & Terakki leaders during the night of 2 November on a German submarine. He first went to Russia, then to Germany.

    Talaat Pasha was declared as the “greatest enemy” by Diaspora Armenians
    because of the measures he took in the Armenian events in Anatolia during
    the war years, and was murdered in Berlin in the morning of 15 March 1921, by an Armenian partisan called Sogomon Tehlirian with a bullet to his neck.
    Tehlirian was acquitted in the German court where he was tried. The ashes
    of the Pasha were brought to Istanbul from Berlin on 25 February 1944, 24
    years after the murder and were interned at the Hill of Eternal Liberty with
    great military ceremony.

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  • #2
    I've said this before, but I've gotten used to having to say something three or four times before its sinks in with some of our less informed members:

    One of the main subjects that the "Turkish thesis" insists upon in discussions of the events of 1915, is the exaggeration of the number of slain people in Armenian circles. How many people died or were actually murdered? In a world, where Generals responsible of the murder of 7,000 people in Bosnia were sued for having committed the crime of genocide, this is a very weird argument. In addition, those taking part in this argument don't seem to be aware of the simple reality that the 1948 definition of genocide by the United Nations doesn't consider the principle of "killing" as a necessary condition. That's why claiming that the number of casualties is from 50,000 to 600,000, rather than 1 to 1.5 million, has no importance, and for this reason [this claim] is not taken seriously. It's perceived and interpreted as an indication of the panic of being guilty.

    What we need to know is that all the numbers given about Armenians - dead or alive - are conjectural, including in the first place the number of 600,000 given by A. Toynbee in the year 1916 when deportations and deaths still continued. The only official statistics were provided by the Ottoman Government after the war. After the fall of the Union and Progress party from power, one of the first tasks of the newly formed cabinet was to investigate this matter. In December 1918, a Commission was formed upon the initiative of the Interior Minister Mustafa Arif (Deymer). The Commission worked about 3 months, and the conclusions were made public by the Interior Minister of that time, Cemal Bey, on 14 March 1919. According to the Ottoman State Archives, the number of Armenians slain during the period 1914-1918 is 800,000 (Vakit, Alemdar, Ikdam, 15 March 1919). The fact that during the deportations and killings 800,000 Armenians lost their lives is a well-known and repeated fact by everybody during an entire period of time. At the head of people using that figure is Mustafa Kemal [Atatürk]: Mustafa Kemal said during a meeting with the American General Harbord that 800,000 Armenians were killed. (Memories of Rauf Orbay, "Our Recent History", Vol. 3, Pg, 179).

    Armenians did not make up the number 1.5 million. It was first introduced in 1917 by Dr. Harry Sturmer, a former German army officer and war correspondent. Furthermore, it is quite conceivable given that the number 800,000 was actually the number of direct killings and not the number who died during the deportation marches. Moreover, given that it is a Turkish source, we can assume that the number is deflated.

    Now couple that number with the number of deportees noted by Talaat in his infamous notebook. If, as you say, the death toll from the mass deportations was "only" 300,000, that added with the death toll from the actual killings amounts to 1.1 million. So if we use Turkey's own sources to determine the number of those who were killed, we get AT LEAST 1.1 million.

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    • #3
      That was very interesting, thank you.
      “The denial of genocide is the final stage of genocide: it murders the dignity of the survivors and destroys the remembrance of the crime. Denial of genocide strives to reshape history in order to rehabilitate the perpetrators and demonize the victims.” AYF.org

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      • #4
        so.. umm 924,158 is too small of a number to be called genocide??!! Also, keep in mind that government census back then purposely undercounted the Armenian and generally christian populations of the Ottoman Empire.
        [COLOR="Lime"][CENTER][B]GIVE US A REASON TO FORGIVE, RECOGNIZE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE[/B][/CENTER][/COLOR]

        [CENTER][I][COLOR="Red"][B]"We must remind the Turkish Government that when they had Sultan Abdul Hamid, we had Andranik Pasha, Serob Aghbyur, and Gevorg Chaush. When they had Taleat pasha, we had Soghomon Tehleryan. New Hrants will be born, and our struggle will go on.” [/B][/COLOR][/I][/CENTER]

        [COLOR="Black"][CENTER][B]"Hrant Dink's murder is tragic proof that the Turkish government - through its campaign of denial, threats and intimidation against the recognition of the Armenian Genocide - continues to fuel the same hatred and intolerance that initially led to this crime against humanity more than 90 years ago."[/B][/CENTER][/COLOR]

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        • #5
          On Ottoman Armenian Population:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman...ation#_note-11
          [COLOR="Lime"][CENTER][B]GIVE US A REASON TO FORGIVE, RECOGNIZE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE[/B][/CENTER][/COLOR]

          [CENTER][I][COLOR="Red"][B]"We must remind the Turkish Government that when they had Sultan Abdul Hamid, we had Andranik Pasha, Serob Aghbyur, and Gevorg Chaush. When they had Taleat pasha, we had Soghomon Tehleryan. New Hrants will be born, and our struggle will go on.” [/B][/COLOR][/I][/CENTER]

          [COLOR="Black"][CENTER][B]"Hrant Dink's murder is tragic proof that the Turkish government - through its campaign of denial, threats and intimidation against the recognition of the Armenian Genocide - continues to fuel the same hatred and intolerance that initially led to this crime against humanity more than 90 years ago."[/B][/CENTER][/COLOR]

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Anatolian-Heart
            However, the total death toll of Muslims (both Turkish and Kurdish) caused by the turmoil created by Russian Army attacks with Armenian gangs' cooperation& support mounts to minimum= 500,000 (e.g. only in Sarikamis; nearly 100,000 Ottoman Soldiers died in 1914)...What do the Armenians on this site think about that? "Do they think that : They were not important, as they were muslims????"
            No - obviously not important - except as amusing lies that prove your ignorance/stupidity for believing and parroting back to those who know better - and think that you are an idiot
            Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?
            Adolf Hitler (22 August 1939)

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