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NOTE: I only posted this one so you all can see how stupid the woman is who is in the dialogue... My favorite part is where she says (when talking why Turkey shouldn't apologize for Armenian Genocide) "They don't even consider the massacres inflicted upon the Ottoman subjects" (Ottoman Subjects being Turks) - yeah, lady, Armenians weren't Ottoman Subjects? Yes they were but to Ottoman Turks they were viewed as "dogs", "pigs" and "infidels", so of course they were a subcatagory of Ottoman culture a creation that led to Genocide. Furthermore the "Ottoman Subjects" that she is suggesting were massacred by Armenians also so happened to be in the army. Yes, thats right, be sure to hide the fact that it was a poorly armed Armenian militia defending themselves against a well equipped Ottoman Turkish Army. You think you're smooth but you are pathetically inept...
-Hovik
Ayse Özgün: Sweet and sour matters
TDN
Thursday, May 12, 2005
OPINIONS
Ayse OZGUN I attended a luncheon given by ex-politician Onay Alpago
the other day along with Ruhat Mengi of Vatan, Deniz Adanali, and
lawyers Hulya Gulbahar, Aydeniz Alisbah Tuskan, Nilhan Madence and
Canan Arin, all ladies with established careers, where we discussed
many matters, but my column can only accommodate a few so I'd like to
share them with you.
"Could we organize a political party made up of women, including
men,of course?" I asked.
"We sure could," said Gulbahar. "That has been my dream for the last
10 years."
"Do you sincerely think we can reach out and favorably touch each
and every woman and man in this country?"
"Of course, we can. All the political votes that hit the ballot
boxes are a result of women's efforts. If it hadn't been for the
tireless work of thousands of women calling on each and every
household in Turkey and talking to the ladies, would AKP have come out
on top as it did? I'm positive we can accomplish the same."
"Onay Hanim, you are experienced in politics. Do you believe women
can be successful in such an endeavor?"
"Ayse Hanim, establishing a political party is no complicated
matter.It is when voting time comes around that one cannot be so
certain of the outcome. I'd like to remind you that such a party was
established after the 1960 coup, but when the next election results
came in, the requisite number of votes were just not there. It could
be a futile effort."
"Even if it were possible," continued Arin, "Will we have gathered
the expertise that is necessary to run the Turkish Republic?"
"I see your point," I said. "Take the Cyprus and Armenian
issues. How successful could women be on such critical matters? If the
EU insists on an 'apology' as it seems to be doing subjectively, how
keen will women be in changing the EU's mind to look at the problems
objectively? As we all see, they are adamant and insistent as they
review the issue through the diaspora's eyes. They build memorials,
lay wreaths, pass laws in their parliaments to sue and possibly fine
or jail anyone who claims there wasn't a genocide.
"That's right," said Adanali. "They don't even consider the
massacres inflicted upon the Ottoman subjects."
"Our government today is facing some tough choices, and I don't see
how it could be any easier for anyone else."
Just then the waiter placed a bottle of red wine on the
table. Seeing the uncorked bottle, Mengi told us the story of three
men who ordered three bottles of very expensive wine the other night
at this same restaurant, giving mean idea that I impulsively acted
upon.
"Canan, do you have your camera with you?"
"Yes I do."
"Listen. I'm going to ask the waiter to bring a bottle of Petrus
wine, which I understand costs around 40,000 YTL, and place it on the
table andhave a picture taken. Then he can take it back. Don't you
think that'll be a splendid picture to remind us all of today?"
They all laughed and agreed, so I proceeded with the plan.
"Excuse me, waiter! Do you have Petrus wine here?"
"Yes we do, Ayse Hanim."
"Please, could you bring us a bottle of Petrus and put it on our
table?"
"Of course, Ayse Hanim," and off he went to fetch it.
A few minutes later there was a tap on my shoulder. I turned and saw
the sommelier.
"Ayse Hanim, sorry to bother you but if you wish to see a bottle
ofPetrus, you will have to come down to the cellar with me."
"Could you bring one up for us?" I asked.
"I'm afraid I can't," he replied.
"Can you tell me why?"
"Because they are all sleeping."
"Couldn't you find one that is awake? Or perhaps rouse one from its
sleep?"
"I'm afraid that's not possible, Ayse Hanim. I'd be happy to take
you down, though."
My plan had gone to pieces.
"Listen ladies, as you see, we cannot even bring a bottle of
Petrusto our table for a picture. How do you expect us to solve the
Aegean and Armenian problems among all the others? I think we should
put this plan aside and continue to work on stopping violence against
women."
"Which reminds me," said Arin. "Did you know that Scottish women
want to be beaten up by men?"
"What did you say?" asked Adanali.
"Exactly what I said. According to a recent poll taken in Scotland,
Scottish women have declared that they wish to be beaten by their
men."
We all rolled our eyes and ordered our salads.
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-Hovik
Ayse Özgün: Sweet and sour matters
TDN
Thursday, May 12, 2005
OPINIONS
Ayse OZGUN I attended a luncheon given by ex-politician Onay Alpago
the other day along with Ruhat Mengi of Vatan, Deniz Adanali, and
lawyers Hulya Gulbahar, Aydeniz Alisbah Tuskan, Nilhan Madence and
Canan Arin, all ladies with established careers, where we discussed
many matters, but my column can only accommodate a few so I'd like to
share them with you.
"Could we organize a political party made up of women, including
men,of course?" I asked.
"We sure could," said Gulbahar. "That has been my dream for the last
10 years."
"Do you sincerely think we can reach out and favorably touch each
and every woman and man in this country?"
"Of course, we can. All the political votes that hit the ballot
boxes are a result of women's efforts. If it hadn't been for the
tireless work of thousands of women calling on each and every
household in Turkey and talking to the ladies, would AKP have come out
on top as it did? I'm positive we can accomplish the same."
"Onay Hanim, you are experienced in politics. Do you believe women
can be successful in such an endeavor?"
"Ayse Hanim, establishing a political party is no complicated
matter.It is when voting time comes around that one cannot be so
certain of the outcome. I'd like to remind you that such a party was
established after the 1960 coup, but when the next election results
came in, the requisite number of votes were just not there. It could
be a futile effort."
"Even if it were possible," continued Arin, "Will we have gathered
the expertise that is necessary to run the Turkish Republic?"
"I see your point," I said. "Take the Cyprus and Armenian
issues. How successful could women be on such critical matters? If the
EU insists on an 'apology' as it seems to be doing subjectively, how
keen will women be in changing the EU's mind to look at the problems
objectively? As we all see, they are adamant and insistent as they
review the issue through the diaspora's eyes. They build memorials,
lay wreaths, pass laws in their parliaments to sue and possibly fine
or jail anyone who claims there wasn't a genocide.
"That's right," said Adanali. "They don't even consider the
massacres inflicted upon the Ottoman subjects."
"Our government today is facing some tough choices, and I don't see
how it could be any easier for anyone else."
Just then the waiter placed a bottle of red wine on the
table. Seeing the uncorked bottle, Mengi told us the story of three
men who ordered three bottles of very expensive wine the other night
at this same restaurant, giving mean idea that I impulsively acted
upon.
"Canan, do you have your camera with you?"
"Yes I do."
"Listen. I'm going to ask the waiter to bring a bottle of Petrus
wine, which I understand costs around 40,000 YTL, and place it on the
table andhave a picture taken. Then he can take it back. Don't you
think that'll be a splendid picture to remind us all of today?"
They all laughed and agreed, so I proceeded with the plan.
"Excuse me, waiter! Do you have Petrus wine here?"
"Yes we do, Ayse Hanim."
"Please, could you bring us a bottle of Petrus and put it on our
table?"
"Of course, Ayse Hanim," and off he went to fetch it.
A few minutes later there was a tap on my shoulder. I turned and saw
the sommelier.
"Ayse Hanim, sorry to bother you but if you wish to see a bottle
ofPetrus, you will have to come down to the cellar with me."
"Could you bring one up for us?" I asked.
"I'm afraid I can't," he replied.
"Can you tell me why?"
"Because they are all sleeping."
"Couldn't you find one that is awake? Or perhaps rouse one from its
sleep?"
"I'm afraid that's not possible, Ayse Hanim. I'd be happy to take
you down, though."
My plan had gone to pieces.
"Listen ladies, as you see, we cannot even bring a bottle of
Petrusto our table for a picture. How do you expect us to solve the
Aegean and Armenian problems among all the others? I think we should
put this plan aside and continue to work on stopping violence against
women."
"Which reminds me," said Arin. "Did you know that Scottish women
want to be beaten up by men?"
"What did you say?" asked Adanali.
"Exactly what I said. According to a recent poll taken in Scotland,
Scottish women have declared that they wish to be beaten by their
men."
We all rolled our eyes and ordered our salads.
-----------
Copyright 2005, Turkish Daily News. This article is redistributed with
permission for personal use of Groong readers. No part of this article
may be reproduced, further distributed or archived without the prior
permission of the publisher. Contact Turkish Daily News Online at
http://www.TurkishDailyNews.com for details.
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