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Turkish backing for honour crimes
By Sarah Rainsford
BBC News, Istanbul
Some Turkish men back gruesome punishments for women
A survey by a university in Turkey has shown almost 40% support for the practice of "honour killing".
The results come days after a court in Istanbul gave a life sentence for the murder of a girl by her brothers for giving birth to a child out of wedlock.
Turkish law, which used to be lenient on "honour crimes", was heavily revised as part of the country's preparation for EU accession proceedings.
Turkey has started talks with the EU but is not expected to join for years.
The survey was conducted in the conservative south-eastern city of Diyarbakir.
Disfigured
It questioned 430 people, most of them men. When asked the appropriate punishment for a woman who has committed adultery, 37% replied she should be killed.
Twenty-five percent said that she deserved divorce, and 21% that her nose or ears should be cut off.
The survey group was small but the results are a reminder that "honour killing" - a practice where women are murdered for allegedly bringing shame on their family - still has significant support in parts of Turkey.
There are no reliable statistics on how many women die this way, but Turkey has made major strides fighting such violence.
Research panel
Since the penal code was reformed last summer a man can no longer claim he was provoked as his defence. That used to lead to light sentences.
But last Friday a court in Istanbul sent a man to prison for life for murdering his sister in her hospital bed.
He shot her for giving birth to a child outside marriage.
And there is evidence the authorities here are committed to taking the reforms further.
A commission has just been established in parliament to research the whole issue for the first time. Its 12 members are expected to report back in December."All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Turkey Condemns Inauguration Of So-called Genocide Monument
Published: 10/22/2005
ANKARA - Turkey strongly condemned on Monday the inauguration of a monument, built in France in the memory of ''the victims of the genocide carried out by the Ottoman Empire against Assyro-Chaldeans in 1915''.
Releasing a statement, Turkish Foreign Ministry said that a monument, erected in the memory of the ''victims of the Assyro-Chaldean Genocide of 1915 carried out by the Ottoman Empire'' was inaugurated in city of Sarcelles, some 30 kilometers away from French capital of Paris, on October 15th.
Condemning this inauguration, the Ministry said, ''we are reacting to the inauguration of this monument, reflecting a claim, the historical bases of which are not known. Those who are accusing a country of the heaviest crime that can be committed against humanity, like genocide, with baseless claims are only humiliating themselves with their disrespectful acts.''
Question?
Why wont Turkey come clean?
Is force the only way for them?to understand.
Aren't they humiliating themselves by trying to negotiate themselves out of reality?screw being respectfull we're talking about over 2million Christian's here under the rule of inept leader's who yielded the power to bunch a murdering vipers.And they have the odessity to negotiate with Christian Europe steping over the bloody body's of all the innocent's?"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Propaganda leaflets dropped down into Kurdish guerrilla strongholds
October 14, 2005 @ 02:42 (02:42 AM)
NEWSDESK, Oct 14 (DozaMe.org) - Turkish military helicopters dropped down thousands of propaganda leaflets into Kurdish guerrilla strongholds in the Semdinli district in the Hakkari province in northern Kurdistan.
In a classical move the Turkish army has dropped down propaganda leaflets into Kurdish guerrilla strongholds offering the guerrillas 'no punishment' if they turn themselves in.
"The new Turkish constitution presents you your freedom, assess it! There will be no punishment for those who will turn themselves in before they commit further crimes and for them who will give information that will help dissolve the organisation. You will not be punished if you turn yourself in and provide us with information," the leaflet read.
Hundreds of different similar propaganda leaflets were dropped during the first war between 1984-1999 when the Turkish army failed in their military operations. Many were targeting the civilians, claiming that the PKK was an organisation set up by the "armenians and the Greeks" and that they shouldn't aid "Christians that were trying to take over the great Turkish republic."
Note:I could not copy the actual leaflet so instead i inserted the record holder Mehmet for having the world's longest nose.Everytime a Turk lies about Armenians his nose grewAttached Files"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Turkish Embassy Managed to Attain Closing Armenian Genocide Exhibition in Center of W
Turkish Embassy Managed to Attain Closing Armenian Genocide Exhibition in Center of Wroclaw
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Under the pressure of the Turkish Embassy in Poland the 20th Century First Holocaust exhibition was moved from the center of Wroclaw to the Avant-Garde Art Museum, a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter informed from Poland. Meanwhile, Wroclaw authorities say the reason for moving the exhibition was that the photos might shock visitors. However, pastor of Armenians in Poland Tadeush Isahakian-Zalezski is convinced the only reason for closing the exhibition in the center of the town is Turkish Embassy intervention. Confessing that after the opening of the exhibition they received many phone calls from Turkey, the town administration nevertheless keeps the only cause for closing the exposition was the shocking nature of the photos. It should be noted that a situation like this appeared last year, when the Turkish Embassy in Poland came against erection of a monument to Armenian Genocide victims, however the Polish authorities did not yield to threats of Turkish diplomats.
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Turkish military operations meet fierce resistance by HPG
10/30/2005 DozaMe.org
(DozaMe.org) - Turkish soldiers conducting military operations in northern Kurdistan (southeastern Turkey) are meeting fierce resistance in the mountains by Kurdish HPG guerrillas. October month have dealt the Turkish soldiers blow after blow, leaving them paralyzed and unsuccessful before the winter break.
Turkish military forces have failed to harvest success in operations conducted against the Kurdish guerrillas in the provinces of Bitlis, Van, Hakkari, Dersim, Siirt, Sirnak, Mus, Amed (Diyarbakir), Bingol and Mardin. Expected drop in clashes have occurred in the provinces of Qers (Kars), Agiri (Agri), Erzurum, Erzincan, Sivas, Giresun, Trabzon, Elazig, Maras and Urfa, as the Turkish military concentrates on areas which they suspect that HPG has for the first time since 1999 set up long-time strategical strongholds.
HPG has also announced a sharp increase of recruits joining the ranks of the HPG guerrillas. Over 1,000 new guerrillas have been graduated from HPG's Mahsum Korkmaz Military Academy in 2005. The numbers are expected to double or triple in the end of 2006 if the current flow of new recruits continue."All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Brussels to give Turkey torture deadline
By Daniel Dombey in Brussels and Vincent Boland in Ankara
Published: November 1 2005 02:00 | Last updated: November 1 2005 02:00
The European Commission will give Turkey a two-year deadline to eradicate torture, establish freedom of religion and assert civilian control over the military if it is to succeed at attaining European Union membership in about 10 years.
In a sign of how much Turkey will have to change if it is to join the EU, the Commission this month will set Ankara a daunting checklist of almost 150 short-term tasks.
The document, a draft of which has been seen by the Financial Times, indicates membership talks are likely to be tougher than expected over the next two years, but is meant to ensure that Turkish reform eases EU voters' concerns over its potential membership.
Turkish membership is unpopular among many European electorates. Polls this year found that 80 per cent of Austrians opposed Turkey's entry, while only 11 per cent of French voters supported it.
Among short-term priorities, "expected to be accomplished within one to two years", the draft document calls for Turkey to "ensure implementation . . . of the 'zero tolerance' policy against torture" and to "adopt a law comprehensively addressing all the difficulties faced by non-Muslim religious minorities and communities".
It adds that in the same time-span the country must "establish full parliamentary oversight of military and defence policy", "abolish any remaining competence of military courts to try civilians" and "ensure the independence of the judiciary".
The proposal, on the "principles, priorities and conditions" of integrating Turkey with the EU, fills in the gaps left by last month's decision to begin membership talks with Ankara.
The negotiations themselves are not likely to begin until next year and the Commission's proposals emphasise the need forTurkey to focus on implementation after a series of legislative changes in 2003 to 2004.
Officials in Ankara say they are aware of the scale of the task ahead but there is little sign the government is ready to launch a new set of radical reforms to match those it has already introduced. Implementation of recent reforms also is likely to cause friction with the entrenched bureaucracy and within the criminal justice system.
Olli Rehn, the EU's enlargement commissioner, is also anxiously awaiting the trial in December of Orhan Pamuk, the Turkish author charged with "denigrating the state" for comments about the deaths of Kurds and Armenians.
If Mr Pamuk is convicted, many officials fear the biggest crisis yet in Turkey's membership bid.
In a nod towards the other looming problem in the talks, the Commission paper calls for Turkey to move towards "normalisation of bilateral relations" with Cyprus in the short term.
While Cyprus can block the membership negotiations at almost any time, at present Turkey neither recognises the country's government nor allows Cypriot ships to dock at its ports - chiefly because Ankara wants to press Cyprus to agree to a settlement for the divided island.
"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Turkish psychiatric facilities found to be rife with abuses
Attached Files"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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The words of a Turkish soldier: 'Death was everywhere'
NEWSDESK, Nov 4 (DozaMe.org) - A Turkish soldier that carried out his military duty in Hakkari Çukurca Regiment Commandership spoke to the Kurdish news agency DIHA about his experiences. The soldier, only named as A.O, shared his opinions with the reporter with panic and sense of hopelessness among the Turkish soldiers doing their duty in Çukurca. "Death was everywhere", A.O said.
"Silently..."
"Countless of soldiers were killed during my duty in Çukurca. But Turkish newpapaers never wrote about them. The killed soldiers were usually silently taken back to their homes. Sometimes they would ask the families to come and take them away. Five soldiers were killed in average every day. The operations were conducted with soldiers mainly from the Kayseri Commando Brigades. And they lost countless of soldiers during the operations. They lost so many people that soldiers were ironically saying 'if it continues like this, media will say that the Kayseri Brigade is emptied'. The majority of the soldiers there were almost always depressed.No one would conduct military operations if they weren't forced by orders."
"Cut off from the units"
"There were operations in the district almost every day. There were always conflicts during the operations. Once, we were ambushed and five soldiers were killed and many were wounded. 40 of our friends were cut off from the rest of the units after the ambush. We couldn't reach them for three days. We later learned that they had taken shelter in a cave. For three days they didn't move out from there because of fear. We went there and got them out. They were shaking with fear. We thought that they had been killed. When we found them alive, mainly the officers, we all got happy."
"Some wanted to commit suicide..."
"Once a helicopter exploded when it landed on a booby-trapped area. Not one single soldier in that helicopter survived. But the media claimed that the helicopter had crashed because of a mechanical issue and that four soldiers were hurt. We experienced lots of incidents like that. This is what I know, and then you have all the operations I never went out to. The soldiers used to say that when they got home, they would tell the media about everything. We were by now used to death. We had military ceremonies for dead soldiers every day. It would destroy the soldiers psychologically. There were soldiers who wanted to run away or commit suicide. Death was everywhere. No one thought they would make it back alive. I can still not believe that my military duty is over."Attached Files"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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