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  • #21
    Originally posted by Kharpert
    I was there at that protest. At least 4 of the Armenian high schools were present at the event.

    Zankou Chicken delivered about 1,000 sandwiches to the protest (their compliments).
    I hope they don't buy the chickens from Turkey

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    • #22
      Over 50 years of tradition & quality. “One of Los Angeles’s most revered restaurants. It is a legend. Zankou is the greatest chicken ever.”– New York Times

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      • #23
        Something fawl in Turkey
        Attached Files
        "All truth passes through three stages:
        First, it is ridiculed;
        Second, it is violently opposed; and
        Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

        Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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        • #24
          Our Product Quality
          Our food is 100% natural and we have made a commitment to keep it that way. It is prepared fresh every day in our kitchens by using only the finest ingredients. We will never use cans, freezers, microwave ovens, preservatives, or artificial ingredients. We use only all natural Foster Farms chicken, which is delivered to us daily, direct from the farm. Our beef is 100% USDA Choice and of the finest quality. Our bread is baked fresh every morning.
          Now we know where the beef comes from, but what about the chickens?

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Reincarnated Am
            Now we know where the beef comes from, but what about the chickens?

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            • #26
              Armenian Survivors Sue Turks, Germans

              Middle East Times, Egypt
              Jan 17 2006

              LOS ANGELES, CA, USA - Deutsche Bank and Dresdner Bank are being sued
              for their alleged effort to keep victims of Turkey's 1915 Armenian
              genocide from recovering looted assets. Lawyers for the heirs of
              genocide victims also said that they are suing Turkey. "Deutsche Bank
              funded the Turkish government's mass genocide of Armenians in return
              for these looted Armenian assets," lawyers said. The plaintiffs'
              lawyers earlier settled similar Armenian genocide lawsuits against
              New York Life Insurance and AXA for $37.5 million.
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • #27
                Reference to Genocide Deleted From AXA Insurance Settlement

                Commentary


                By Harut Sassounian
                Publisher, The California Courier



                The French Insurance Company AXA agreed last October to pay $17.5 million
                to descendants of life insurance policyholders who had perished during the
                Armenian Genocide.
                Mark Geragos along with attorneys Vartkes Yeghiayan and Brian Kabateck had
                filed a class action lawsuit in a California federal court against AXA for
                failing to pay death benefits for the insurance policies purchased by
                Armenians in Turkey prior to the 1915. The proceeds of the agreement, which
                was mediated by Federal Judge xxxxran Tevrizian, are to be disbursed as
                follows: Up to $11 million for the heirs of life insurance policyholders;
                $3 million to be contributed to a newly-created French-Armenian charity;
                and $3 million for attorneys' fees and legal/administrative expenses.
                Commenting on this agreement in an earlier column, I had noted with
                satisfaction that the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) pertaining to this
                lawsuit had one significant advantage over the one concluded earlier with
                New York Life. There was a clear reference to the Armenian Genocide in the
                text of the AXA agreement, whereas in the New York Life settlement, the
                Armenian Genocide was merely referred to as "the tragic events of 1915."
                The MOU signed between AXA, the Armenian plaintiffs and their attorneys had
                stated: "The actions assert claims under life insurance policies issued to
                or on the lives of persons of Armenian descent or ancestry who died as a
                result of events commencing in 1915 that the French government formally
                acknowledged as the Armenian Genocide."
                Regrettably, the Settlement Agreement subsequently signed on November 18,
                2005, deleted the reference to the Armenian Genocide and replaced it with
                the following more matter-of-fact statement: "AXA does not take any
                position or express any view as to the political and/or historical issues
                concerning the nature of the events in Turkey in and around 1915 and has
                made the decision to settle purely from a business perspective to settle
                its obligations under unpaid insurance contracts."
                The deletion of the reference to the Armenian Genocide is most probably the
                direct result of the wave of anger unleashed in Turkey following the news
                that AXA had agreed to pay $17.5 million to Armenian heirs of life
                insurance policyholders who had perished in the Armenian Genocide. Major
                Turkish unions and political officials pressured OYAK, a Turkish industrial
                venture firm representing the Turkish army pension fund, which has been an
                AXA partner since 1999, to terminate its association with the French
                insurance company. Turkey's Memur-Sen trade union, which represents 200,000
                civil servants, decided to boycott AXA, union head Ahmet Aksu said.
                In response to these Turkish protests, AXA executives declared that their
                "decision to indemnify heirs of Armenians massacred under the Ottoman
                Empire was neither politically motivated nor amounted to a recognition of
                the killings as genocide," the French news agency AFP reported. "AXA, as a
                private sector company, has not (and does not) express any view or opinion
                on the political or historical issues concerning the nature of the events
                in Turkey in 1915," the company said. "From AXA's perspective, this case is
                exclusively about meeting our obligations under unpaid insurance
                contracts," it said.
                It is obvious that AXA buckled under the one-sided Turkish pressure in the
                absence of any counter-pressures from the Armenian side. However, it is not
                too late for Armenians to make their voices heard and express their
                resentment of the deletion of the reference to the Armenian Genocide from
                the text of the settlement.
                Any "Settlement Class Member," meaning any of the potential beneficiaries
                of the AXA agreement, can object by writing before April 15, 2006, to the
                Honorable Christina A. Snyder, the U.S. District Court, for the Central
                District of California, 312 N. Spring St., Los Angeles, CA 90012. Copies of
                the letter of objection must be sent to the attention of Class Counsel
                Brian Kabateck, at Kabateck Brown Kellner, 350 S. Grand Ave., Suite 3900,
                Los Angeles, CA 90071; and to AXA Counsel Fred W. Reinke, at LeBoeuf, Lamb,
                Greene & MacRae LLP, 1875 Connecticut Ave., N.W., Suite 1200, Washington,
                D.C. 20009.
                Those objecting to the proposed settlement must appear at the "Final
                Fairness Hearing" which will be held on May 15, 2006, at 10 a.m., before
                the Honorable Christina A. Snyder, in Courtroom 5 of the U.S. District
                Court. Should their objection be rejected by Judge Snyder, those wishing to
                appeal the "District Court's Approval of the Settlement" could do so 30
                days after entry of the Final Order and Judgment.
                The above outlined procedure provides to the Armenian claimants the
                opportunity to inform the judge as well as AXA that they vigorously object
                to the deletion of the reference to the Armenian Genocide from the
                Settlement Agreement, which was done under blatant Turkish pressure and
                blackmail.
                "All truth passes through three stages:
                First, it is ridiculed;
                Second, it is violently opposed; and
                Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                • #28
                  Armenian Americans Urge Deutsche Bank to Return Genocide-Era Assets

                  ANCA Launches WebFax Letter-writing Campaign
                  to the Firm's Chairman, Dr. Josef Ackermann
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #29
                    PRESS OFFICE
                    Fund for Armenian Relief (FAR)
                    630 Second Avenue, New York, NY 10016
                    Tel: (212) 889-5150; Fax: (212) 889-4849
                    E-mail: [email protected]
                    Website: www.farusa.org

                    December 22, 2006
                    ___________________

                    GENOCIDE DEATH HONORED WITH DONATION TO FUND FOR ARMENIAN RELIEF

                    It is a unique number: 46732314673231. It binds Negdar Arukian to her
                    father and her grandfather. Today Negdar is using the number to improve the
                    lives of the next generation.

                    The digits are the New York Life insurance policy number of Negdar's
                    grandfather Thomas Parounaghian. When she received a check through the
                    recent settlement of claims brought on behalf of victims of the Genocide,
                    she decided to donate the money to the Fund for Armenian Relief (FAR) to
                    help orphans in Armenia.

                    HISTORY OF LOSS

                    Though some of the details are lost with time, Negdar knows her grandfather
                    Thomas moved to the United States sometime before 1915. In America, he
                    worked as a merchant. He traveled back to his home in Arabkir, where he
                    asked his wife, Negdar's grandmother to move back to America with him.

                    "She asked about life in America and he told her that in America husbands
                    and wives kissed and held hands on the street," Negdar said, recalling the
                    traditional family stories. "So she said 'No way am I going to go there.'"

                    Instead, Thomas stayed in his village, where he and his wife had two
                    children, Negdar's father Yeghishe and a daughter. It was there Thomas was
                    killed during the Genocide. Negdar's grandmother and their two children
                    were sent into the desert.

                    The young family eventually found their way to Lebanon, before settling in
                    Ethiopia in 1927. Negdar was born in Ethiopia, moving to Montreal in 1977
                    before heading to America a few years latter, bringing her father with her.

                    He brought something with him as well, Thomas's New York Life policy number.

                    "I don't know how my father, through all that, through the Genocide, how he
                    kept that policy number with him, but some how he did," said Negdar of her
                    late father, who was too young to remember his father. "He wanted to look
                    into it, but at the time nobody wanted to help. Nobody wanted to find out
                    about this policy."

                    FUTURE OF HOPE

                    Eventually, Vartkes Yeghiayan, who was born in Ethiopia like Negdar, and
                    fellow Los Angeles lawyer Mark Geragos would take an interest in Thomas' New
                    York Life policy number.

                    In 2004, as part of the historic legal settlement the team brokered, New
                    York Life agreed to pay $20 million to settle the suit on behalf of 2,300
                    unsettled claims. As a descendent of a policy holder, Negdar ended up with
                    about $5,000 after their settlement was divided between Thomas' six
                    grandchildren.

                    "I felt so happy," Negdar said about the settlement. "Even if it was only
                    $5, I would have been happy. Because it was something my father wanted to
                    have taken care of. And though he's not here, it was finally taken care of.
                    His daughter fulfilled his efforts."

                    Negdar, her husband Hratch, and two daughters, Arpi and Talin, decided they
                    didn't need to buy extra Christmas gifts this year or plan a family vacation
                    with the money. Instead, they donated it to the Fund for Armenian Relief
                    (FAR), the preeminent aid and development organization operating in Armenia.

                    She asked that the money go towards FAR's Homeless Children Center in
                    Yerevan, which works to save the souls of at-risk and runaway youth through
                    temporary housing, medical care, and social services.

                    "When I went to Armenia, I saw the orphanage. And my father was an orphan,"
                    Negdar said emotionally. "I had worked with FAR for a long time. I knew
                    when I gave the money to FAR, it would go where I wanted it to go."

                    For Negdar's two daughters, the gift is just another example from their
                    parents of the importance of giving back to the community. Negdar, for
                    example, has been active for more than two decades in the Holy Martyrs
                    Church in Bayside, NY.

                    "I was not at all surprised by my mother's decision. She is one of the most
                    generous and kind-hearted individuals I know, and I am very proud to be her
                    daughter. It will serve the right cause" said her daughter Arpi.

                    Since its founding in response to the 1988 earthquake, FAR has served
                    millions of people through more than 220 relief and development programs in
                    Armenia and Karabagh. It has channeled more than $270 million in
                    humanitarian assistance by implementing a wide range of projects including
                    emergency relief, education, medical aid, construction and job opportunity
                    development.

                    FAR, one of the preeminent relief and development organization operating in
                    Armenia, is dedicated to realizing the dream of a free, democratic,
                    prosperous, and culturally rich Armenia. It works towards a brighter future
                    by partnering with donors to make life a little better for our people. By
                    offering hope and more promising prospects in Armenia, Karabagh, and
                    Javakhk, FAR binds the Diaspora and the Armenian family together around the
                    globe.

                    For more information on FAR or to send donations, contact us at 630 Second
                    Avenue, New York, NY 10016; telephone (212) 889-5150; fax (212) 889-4849;
                    web www.farusa.org; e-mail [email protected].
                    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                    • #30
                      Turkey Interferes in Lawsuit Against German Banks on Genocide Assets

                      27 March 2007
                      By Harut Sassounian - The California Courier -26.03.200

                      Defying all acceptable legal norms, Turkey's ambassador to the U.S.,
                      Nabi Sensoy, recently sent a highly inappropriate letter to U.S.
                      District Judge Margaret M. Morrow (Federal Court), asking her to
                      dismiss a lawsuit by Armenian plaintiffs against the German Deutsche
                      Bank and Dresdner Bank. A copy of this previously undisclosed letter
                      was obtained by this writer.In a class action lawsuit, filed by
                      Yeghiayan & Associates; Kabateck, Brown, Kellner, and Geragos &
                      Geragos, Armenian plaintiffs had accused the two German banks of
                      concealing and preventing the recovery of assets which were deposited
                      by Armenians in these banks "prior to World War I and the Armenian
                      Genocide." The plaintiffs had further alleged that the banks
                      "accepted looted assets,forcibly taken by the government of the
                      Ottoman Turkey during World War I andthe Armenian Genocide."
                      Ever since the filing of this lawsuit in 2004 (amended in 2006),
                      these German banks have done everything possible to have it
                      dismissed. They have challenged the constitutionality of the law
                      passed by the California Legislature which extended the Statute
                      of Limitations and created standing for plaintiffs to sue the
                      German banks and other institutions until 2016. In their attempt
                      to counter the charge that they are the beneficiaries of ill-gotten
                      gains, theGerman banks, through their legal counsel, Milbank,
                      Tweed, Hadley & McCloy, have claimed that the California law
                      "is an unconstitutional encroachment on the federal government's
                      exclusive power over foreign affairs."

                      It now appears that in order to back up their claim, the German
                      banks have succeeded in getting Turkey to instruct its ambassador
                      to the U.S. to send a letter to the Judge Morrow telling her that
                      the District Court is interfering in a matter involving U.S.
                      -Turkish relations. This modern-day German-Turkish collaboration
                      reminds one of the alliance forged some 90 years ago between the
                      German and Turkish governments during the Armenian Genocide. By
                      reviving this unholy union, the German banks hope to keep their
                      "loot," while the Turkish government can continue to cover up
                      the genocide and attemptto preempt anyfuture claims against
                      Turkey itself.

                      However, the German banks and the Turkish government apparently
                      were oblivious to the fact that by writing a letter directly to
                      the Federal Judge, the Turkish ambassador was interfering in a
                      judicial process to which the Turkish side is not a legal party.

                      It is noteworthy that the Turkish Ambassador's letter, dated
                      February 23-2007, came on the heels of Foreign Minister Abdullah
                      Gul's latest visit to Washington, leading one to speculate that
                      the Ambassador may have been pressured into this improper act by
                      his political superiors, possibly against the advice of his
                      American attorneys. It is noteworthy that, during the court
                      hearing on February 27, 2007, the German banks' attorney
                      disclosed that David Saltzman, the attorney for the Turkish
                      Embassy, had been in close communication with him for several
                      years since the lawsuit was first filed.

                      In his letter to Judge Morrow, Amb. Sensoy wrote: "I am deeply
                      concerned that the plaintiffs have asked you to sit in judgment
                      on Turkey's sovereign acts carried out within its territory,
                      from which I would request that you refrain. Specifically, the
                      plaintiffs have made allegations that require this court to
                      delve into whether there was a governmental plan to commit
                      crimes against Armenians living in the late Ottoman Empire,
                      including the looting of property. The plaintiffs have made
                      clear that they wish their allegations to span the demise of
                      the Ottoman Empire and carry over into modern Turkey. For
                      example, the plaintiffs allege that the Armenian tragedy
                      extended from 1915 to 1923, insinuating that any wrongful
                      acts that contributed to it are not only the responsibility
                      of the Ottoman Empire, the predecessor state, but also its
                      successor, Republic of Turkey, which was founded in 1923."

                      The Turkish ambassador then unabashedly offered the Judge his
                      embassy's services as an unimpeachable source for documentation
                      on the Armenian Genocide! "My embassy places itself at your
                      disposal to provide references to scholarly works that disagree
                      with the current orthodoxy that the Armenian tragedy ought to be
                      termed genocide," the letter said.

                      Amb. Sensoy then chastised Judge Morrow by instructing her that
                      her "use of the term 'Armenian Genocide,' is inappropriate."
                      He said he was unhappy that in her September 11 opinion, the
                      Judge had made a reference to the "Historical Background of the
                      Armenian Genocide." He also accused the Judge of "being an
                      advocate of one side in a genuine historic controversy=80¦."

                      In response to this unwarranted intrusion into the affairs of
                      the court, the attorneys for the Armenian side -- the plaintiffs
                      -- filed an affidavit with the court on March 7, 2007, that
                      stated: "The letter from the Turkish Ambassador is replete with
                      inaccuracies and erroneous suppositions=80¦. The Republic of
                      Turkey is not a party to this lawsuit, nor has it appeared in any
                      capacity in such a way to allow it any voice in this process=80¦.
                      There is no legal justification for this Court to consider any
                      position presented by the Republic of Turkey in this case.
                      Accordingly, Plaintiffs recommend that the Court disregard the
                      Turkish Ambassador's letter."

                      On the other hand, the attorneys for the German banks -- the
                      defendants - claimed in their affidavit that the Turkish
                      ambassador's letter was "relevant evidence." Not surprisingly,
                      the defendants used that letter to buttress their allegation
                      that the lawsuit could have to "negative implications" on U.S.
                      relations with Turkey. They claimed that the Turkish ambassador's
                      letter demonstrates that the court's consideration of "the degree
                      of Turkey's culpability for its treatment of Armenians during the
                      WWI period implicate[s] sensitive foreign policy concerns between
                      the United States and Turkey even to this date."

                      While the Turkish government's intent in sending such a letter
                      to the Judge may have been to defend its interests, it may
                      actually result in the following unintended and detrimental
                      consequences for Turkey:

                      1) The Ambassador's unwarranted interference in the affairs of
                      a U.S. Federal Court could result in the Judge not only rejecting
                      his unsolicited intervention but also negatively disposing her
                      towards the German banks fortheirpossible role in orchestrating
                      that letter;

                      2) Should the judge reject the letter, her ruling would imply
                      that a straightforward case of seeking the return of Armenian
                      assets held by German banks, would become, as the Turkish
                      ambassador himself stated, a legal case with far reaching
                      consequences for the Turkish side, including the reaffirmation
                      of the Armenian Genocide by a U.S. Federal Court and holding
                      today's Republic of Turkey responsible for the losses suffered
                      by genocide victims.

                      Once again, by its emotional over-reaction to all issues dealing
                      with the Armenian Genocide, the Turkish government may have shot
                      itself in the foot!
                      Defying all acceptable legal norms, Turkey's ambassador to the U.S., Nabi Sensoy, recently sent a highly inappropriate letter to U.S. Distri...
                      "All truth passes through three stages:
                      First, it is ridiculed;
                      Second, it is violently opposed; and
                      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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