PBS Acknowledges Armenian Genocide

[Tongue]

The Turks created their own petition asking to air the discussion...

http://www.petitiononline.com/turkside/petition.html

They have 23558 signatures.

[Gavur]

Yeah
Almost all of them are bogus
By the same persons

[imported_Sardarapat]

I don't oppose the discussion, as a matter of fact, I support such a discussion as it could only benefit us to see the denialists get humiliated on public television and garnish us more support from those who weren't sure about the AG untill the deniers were exposed as liars on public television. We are handed an opportunity on a silver platter and we oppose it by sending letters of complaints? That is INSANE!

The down side to opposing such a discussion is that people would tend to think Armenians have something to hide.

[Kharpert]

You make it sound as if all denialists are idiots, but sadly that's not true. There is no way this conference can serve our interest, seeing that at the very least the denialists can force the discussion into a stalemate, no matter how illogical their rhetoric is.

We need to prove to people that the Armenian Genocide is a fact and is above petty 'discussions'. We shouldn't have to waste our time and effort trying to smash every idiot that wants to get in our way.

[imported_Sardarapat]

You make it sound as if all denialists are idiots, but sadly that's not true.

I don't make it sound like anything, it is you who hears only what you want to hear. It doesn't matter how smart the denialists are. They have tried and tried to convince people that it was everything but a genocide and they have all failed miserably every time.

There is no way this conference can serve our interest, seeing that at the very least the denialists can force the discussion into a stalemate, no matter how illogical their rhetoric is.

And making people think that we have something to hide is in our intrest? No they can't force a stalemate at the very least. At the very least, they will end up looking stupid as they always do.

We need to prove to people that the Armenian Genocide is a fact and is above petty 'discussions'. We shouldn't have to waste our time and effort trying to smash every idiot that wants to get in our way.

Petty discussions are what people do in these types of forums where you go back and forth with Turks. Yes it was, no it wasn't, yes it was, no it wasn't, on and on and on. You want to prove to people that the Armenian Genocide is a fact, then you have the perfect opportunity to do so and on public television at that, but instead of taking that opportunity and make your case, you claim that you shouldn't have to waste your time? If you think it's a waste of your time, then I suggest you step aside.

If I didn't know better, I would think that you don't really have a case and that's the real reason why you don't want such a discussion to take place. I would think that you're the one who has something to hide and you're afraid that the truth might come out and the real reason why you oppose such a discussion. I say afraid because I sense fear in you when it comes to a discussion on the AG when you are facing expert deniers, but don't worry, you're not the one I would choose to represent us.

[Reincarnated Am]

So do you agree then whenever there’s a documentary or a movie about Jewish Holocaust to bring a panel of Holocaust deniers and debate the issue?

[Tongue]

I don't oppose the discussion, as a matter of fact, I support such a discussion as it could only benefit us to see the denialists get humiliated on public television and garnish us more support from those who weren't sure about the AG untill the deniers were exposed as liars on public television. We are handed an opportunity on a silver platter and we oppose it by sending letters of complaints? That is INSANE!

The down side to opposing such a discussion is that people would tend to think Armenians have something to hide.

Why would any Armenian agree to have the Armenian genocide debated on public TV and have people watch it? This is crazy. And what impression would that leave on the audience? "The Armenian genocide is debatable, no one knows what happened". Right? Specially if they're not familiar with the matter. And how would that benefit us? These deniers are paid people, they're not gonna listen to our side and be like "oh wow, we were wrong, sorry". It's just gonna make people confused, and damage our image and reduce its importance, and that's the exact purpose of airing the debate. Think.

[Krunchy]

Why would any Armenian agree to have the Armenian genocide debated on public TV and have people watch it? This is crazy. And what impression would that leave on the audience? "The Armenian genocide is debatable, no one knows what happened". Right? Specially if they're not familiar with the matter.

Why shouldn't they agree? There is nothing to hide, there is plenty of evidence and we certainly can use the publicity.

And how would that benefit us? These deniers are paid people, they're not gonna listen to our side and be like "oh wow, we were wrong, sorry".

Silly little girl, no one is trying to convince paid deniers and deniers that have other reasons for their denials. It is the millions upon millions of viewers of PBS that we want to hear the evidence.

It's just gonna make people confused, and damage our image and reduce its importance, and that's the exact purpose of airing the debate. Think.

I think you're the only one confused. I have every confidence that we can prove our case. Evidently you do not. I am really sorry they started this BS in the first place because only liars have a problem with confrontation. Only liars run away from debates. Case in point, Deborah Lipstadt.

[Tongue]

I think you're the only one confused.

???
You have a problem with me?

Silly little girl

Again, you have a problem with me Mr. Mature?

Also, if you got something to say, say it. Quoting every line of my 3 line post and replying with a personal attack isn't really how we do it here, you know.

[imported_Sardarapat]

So do you agree then whenever there’s a documentary or a movie about Jewish Holocaust to bring a panel of Holocaust deniers and debate the issue?

Why not? Although there is a difference between deniers and revisionists. A denier is someone who claims there was no Armenian Genocide at all. That it was a rebellion that was out down, a civil war etc. A revisionist is someone who doesn't deny there were massacres, but questions the numbers of dead and the same goes for the Jewish Holocaust. I will not argue the case for the Jews and the Jewish Holocaust because I'm not Jewish and I don't really have the right to do so on their behalf, besides, they're more than capable of handling it for themselves, but if I was Jewish, I would like nothing more than humiliating the deniers on public television, but if they don't want to have such discussions is up to them. As the AG goes, I know that we are more than capable of presenting our evidence which we have more than plenty of to make a solid case on public television, but people such as Kharpert seems insecure when it comes to such a discussion and I get the impression that he thinks we would lose in such a debate with the deniers or revisionists and the general public would be convinced that there was no genocide or at the very least become doubtful. This to me would mean that Armenians don't have a solid case and want the word to only take our word for it without any question. Unfortunately things don't work that way in the real world. For us to refuse such discussions gives the impression that we have something to hide and are afraid that the truth might come out. Supposing we get our day in court. Are we going to refuse confronting the deniers and revisionists who are surely going to testify on Turkey's behalf because we don't want to waste our time and efforts on "idiots" (BTW, Kharpert says they're not idiots then says they're idiots so he should really make up his mind), or do we take advantage of the situation by proving them to be liars on public television, consequently strengthening our case and eliminating the doubt that some viewers might have had.

For us it would be nothing less then setting the record straight in front of a very large audience instead of doing it over and over again on internet discussion forums that hardly get any attention and from a very small audience at that, but many Armenians spend quite a lot of time arguing the same thing with the Turks over and over and over again which accomplishes absolutely nothing and is the real waste of time in my opinion. When it comes to internet discussions, you know very well that these Turks (deniers and revisionists) lose every time, but they come back and repeat the same thing over and over again as if they're bringing up a new point that hasn't been discussed already. You know that this has been going on for years on the net, but this is something that they wouldn't be able to do on public television. Let's say that someone on the Turkish side makes a statement such as it was a civil war or some such nonsense since nonsense is all they have and it gets crushed by the person on the Armenian side. Once that is done, he can't come back and repeat it again like they do on internet forums and if he does, he would quickly be reminded of that one being already settled and he will look foolish and pathetic just for trying it. Even if these discussions are continued on another day of round table discussions, they can't bring the same thing back and pretend he's bringing up a new point that wasn't already dealt with. We're in a win win situation as always when it comes to debating the reality of the AG. Notice how these McCarthy types seem to be in a rage and almost pulling their hair out when it comes to the AG. Why do you think that is? It's because they know they are fighting a battle which they cannot possibly win and as far as the Turks and their idiotic stories go, they're always making total asses of themselves with their laughable stories which I would enjoy seeing on television and knowing that millions of others saw it too.