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    Turkey criticizes Canadian PM for backing recognition of Armenian genocide

    Canadian Press
    Published: Tuesday, April 25, 2006
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    ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Turkey on Tuesday criticized Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper for remarks he made in support of recognizing the mass killings of Armenians during the First World War as genocide, and warned that such statements threatened to harm Turkish-Canadian relations.

    In a statement on April 21, Harper recalled that Canada's Senate and House of Commons had adopted resolutions recognizing the killings as genocide and said, "I and my party supported those resolutions and continue to recognize them today."

    Turkey's Foreign Ministry issued a stern statement saying it "regretted" Harper's remarks over the killings that occurred more than eight decades ago.

    "Statements concerning disputed historic events by foreign parliaments or governments nearly a century later will not change the nature of what happened in reality," the statement said.

    "Such statements do not contribute to the environment of dialogue between Turkey and Armenia, and have a negative effect on Turkish-Canadian relations," it added. "The stagnation of relations between the two countries after the Canadian Parliament's decision . . . is the clearest example of this."

    Turkey's Hurriyet newspaper reported Tuesday that Turkey would bar Canadian companies from bidding for the construction of a nuclear power plant that Turkey hopes to build in the Black Sea coastal town of Sinop.

    In 2001, Turkey cancelled millions of dollars' worth of defence deals with French companies after legislators in France recognized the genocide.

    Armenians say some 1.5 million of their people were killed as the Ottoman Empire forced them from eastern Turkey between 1915 and 1923 in a deliberate campaign of genocide.

    Turkey denies it was genocide, saying the death count is inflated and insisting that Armenians were killed or displaced as the Ottoman Empire tried to secure its border with Russia and stop attacks by Armenian militants.

    Several other countries, including Argentina, Poland, France and Russia, have declared the killings a genocide, and there is strong pressure from Armenians worldwide for the U.S. Congress to recognize the killings as genocide as well.

    © The Canadian Press 2006



  • #2
    I have a suggestion for a new title to this article:

    "Gulity Turks again look stupid and unrepentent as they once again make meaningless threats to perserve their fiction of innocence that only they believe - what will they do next to futher confrim the worlds belief that they are unworthy to join the modern community of nations?"

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    • #3
      Turkey Recalls Envoys to France, Canada

      Bloomberg
      May 8 2006

      Turkey Recalls Envoys to France, Canada Over Genocide Dispute


      May 8 (Bloomberg) -- Turkey recalled its envoys to France and Canada
      because of disagreements with both countries over whether the
      killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks last century constitute
      genocide.

      Turkey's ambassador to Paris Osman Koruturk and ambassador to Ottawa
      Aydemir Erman have returned to the capital Ankara for
      ``consultations'' following ``baseless claims of genocide of
      Armenians,'' Turkish foreign ministry spokesman Namik Tan said in an
      e-mailed statement today.

      ``It is expected that our ambassadors will return to their duties
      once the consultations are complete,'' Tan said.

      The EU has said Turkey's bid to join the bloc may be hindered by the
      claims of genocide against hundreds of thousands of Armenians during
      the First World War. Turkey denies the charges, saying the deaths
      were part of wider ethnic clashes as Armenians sided with Russia
      during the war.

      Turkey recalled its envoy to France prior to a debate by French
      lawmakers on May 18 about a law that foresees a one-year jail term
      and a 45,000-euro ($58,000) fine for persons who deny that genocide
      took place. Turkey's parliament is sending a delegation to France
      tomorrow in order to convince their French counterparts not to pass
      the bill, said Bulent Arinc, chief of the Turkish legislature,
      according to the Hurriyet newspaper.

      The French National Assembly in May 1998 formally recognized as
      genocide the killing of Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire
      between 1915 and 1917.

      Turkey's foreign ministry on April 25 accused Canadian Prime Minister
      Stephen Harper of exhibiting a ``gravely prejudiced attitude'' after
      he said that his government continued to recognize motions adopted by
      the Canadian senate and parliament acknowledging that the genocide
      took place.

      Turkey may bar French companies from bidding for a planned nuclear
      power station and other projects if France approves the legislation,
      Milliyet daily said on May 1, without saying where it got the
      information.
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • #4
        Cast your vote - results

        The Gazette (Montreal)
        May 8, 2006 Monday
        Final Edition

        Cast Your Vote


        Yesterday's question was: Do you think Stephen Harper was right to
        acknowledge the 1915 Armenian genocide?

        Yes: 97% of votes
        No: 3%
        "All truth passes through three stages:
        First, it is ridiculed;
        Second, it is violently opposed; and
        Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

        Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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        • #5
          Parliament delegation to travel to France over Armenian bill

          Hürriyet, Turkey
          May 8 2006





          Parliament Speaker Bulent Arinc said on Sunday that a delegation of
          four parliamentarians is planning to travel to France tomorrow.
          Speaking to reporters, Arinc, currently paying an official visit to
          Sweden, stated that France's Parliament is set to debate a bill
          concerning the so-called Armenian genocide on May 18, adding that the
          Turkish parliamentarians will hold a series of talks with their
          France counterparts to convince them not to pass the bill.


          Regarding the issue, Arinc also sent a message to France Parliament
          Speaker Jean-Louis Debre last month.
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #6
            Remembering the past is an attack on Turkey, says ambassador


            A few weeks ago we reported on Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's good memory, as evidenced by remarks made during an April 19 press conference: the new Prime Minister acknowledged that the Armenian genocide had taken place during the first World War.

            Well, it seems that this knowledge of history has not put Canada in the good books of the moderate and peaceful nation of Turkey...

            For having discussed history, Turkey has now been attacked!
            At least, according to the Turkish ambassador, which is why he's left Canada, according to this piece from the Ottawa Citizen:
            (emphasized comments mine)

            Turkey has recalled its ambassador to Canada as the country plots a response to Stephen Harper's recent acknowledgement of the 1915 Armenian genocide....

            The prime minister's statement April 19 to mark the "sombre anniversary" -- the first time that Canada has made one -- has ignited a furore in Ankara that appears set to boil over.
            An official at the Turkish Embassy in Ottawa told CanWest News Service that Aydemir Erman has not been formally withdrawn from Canada over the prime minister's comments, but he has been "called back" to Turkey to discuss with government officials what steps will be taken to express displeasure with the remarks.

            Those options include the formal withdrawal of Turkey's top diplomat in Canada, a threat Turkey has made to Canada and other countries in the past.

            "The ambassador is now travelling to Turkey because our authorities have asked him to join them for consultations and, indeed, it is related to what's been happening here in the last week or so here in Canada with the prime minister's declaration," said Yoney Tezel, a counsellor with the embassy.

            The government's official position that 1.5 million Armenians were killed in a "genocide" adds Canada to a group of about 25 other countries, including France, Russia and Argentina.

            "For us, this is a serious matter," Mr. Tezel said. "The Armenian claims are a direct attack on our identity, on Turkey's history. We feel it's unfair. That's why when these claims find some recognition we always consider that something negative."







            Mr. Harper's statement, delivered on the 91st anniversary of the bloodbath, noted that both the Senate and the House of Commons have adopted motions acknowledging that a genocide took place.

            "My party and I supported those resolutions and continue to recognize them today," he said.

            On April 25, Turkey's Foreign Ministry issued a statement accusing Mr. Harper of exhibiting a "gravely prejudiced attitude."

            "Such statements ... are not only counter-productive to the atmosphere of dialogue we wish to build between Turkey and Armenia, but also adversely affect the relations between Turkey and Canada," the Turkish government said.

            After Mr. Harper's statement, a Turkish newspaper, Hurriyet, reported that Canadian companies would be barred from bidding on contracts related to the construction of a major nuclear power plant.....

            According to official turkish policy, it seems that we Canadians are "gravely" prejudiced for distrusting the unbiased memories of the turkish government, foolishly relying on our own memories to formulate our opinions. We are being "gravely" offensive in choosing to use facts as our foundation for understanding the history of our world. If only we could follow the noble turkish model, of using hopeful wishes instead of the "gravely" western approach of accumulating and studying data..


            Turkey is increasingly resembling that great western philosopher, Chico Marx, who once remarked to a distrusting Margaret Dumont,


            "Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"
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            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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            • #7
              Turkey: Pullout From Nato Exercise

              By CHRIS MASON (NYT)
              Published: May 11, 2006
              The Turkish government pulled out of a five-week NATO military exercise in Canada to protest a statement by Prime Minister Stephen Harper last month in which he called the killing of Armenians in World War I a genocide. The move followed Turkey's recall of its ambassador to Canada. Turkey has also recalled its ambassador to France to protest a bill before Parliament that would make denying the Armenian genocide a crime. Officials at the Turkish Embassy in Canada confirmed that a half-dozen Turkish jet fighters and other aircraft to be used in the NATO exercise had been withdrawn. The operation, to begin next week, will go on with about 40 aircraft and pilots from nine other countries, including the United States, Germany, France and Britain.
              Attached Files
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • #8
                Turkish PM Sends Letter to Harper

                Josh Pringle
                Thursday, May 11, 2006

                The Turkish Prime Minister has reportedly sent a letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

                The Globe and Mail reports Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan asked Harper not to recognize the Armenian genocide.

                Instead, he is asking Canada to support an academic inquiry into the mass killings.

                Harper became the first Canadian Prime Minister to declare that the deaths of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians during the First World War amounted to genocide.
                "All truth passes through three stages:
                First, it is ridiculed;
                Second, it is violently opposed; and
                Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                • #9
                  The Globe and Mail (Canada)
                  October 26, 2006 Thursday

                  SECTION: EDITORIAL; Pg. A20

                  It's no use papering over Turkey's past


                  The Canadian government has taken the contradictory position of recognizing the 1915 genocide of more than one million Armenians in Turkey and, as of this week, supporting Turkey's proposal for a fresh study of those events. It would be possible to square those two acts if there were any reason to believe that Turkey is ready to openly and honestly look at the historical truth. There isn't.

                  This is a country that persists in laying criminal charges for "insulting Turkishness" against writers who dare to question the official state denial that the genocide happened. Novelist Orhan Pamuk, who won this year's Nobel Prize for literature, was one of those charged. Turkey also persists in threatening to limit trade with countries that use the g-word. In May, after Prime Minister Stephen Harper explicitly recognized the genocide, Turkey recalled its ambassador and withdrew its jet fighters from NATO exercises at CFB Cold Lake in Alberta.

                  Turkey did do Canada the courtesy this summer of taking in thousands of its nationals who otherwise would have been stuck in a war zone in Lebanon. But surely Turkey does not expect that every time it does a favour for a North Atlantic Treaty Organization ally, the quid pro quo will be some form of symbolic support for the Turkish denial of its past.

                  As an act of realpolitik, this support for more "study" is far from Canada's first sop to the Turks. In 1996, when a Bloc Québécois MP put forward a motion to recognize the genocide, none other than the Liberal secretary of state for multiculturalism, Hedy Fry, amended the motion to say tragedy instead of genocide. When a Reform MP amended that amendment to say "the tragedy of genocide," the government voted to defeat the motion. Mr. Harper is not the first to bow to Turkish pressure, but his backtracking is at odds with the principled stand he prides himself on taking on international issues.

                  Twenty years ago, Benjamin Whitaker of Britain, a special rapporteur to the United Nations Sub-Commission on the Prevention of Discrimination and the Protection of Minorities, included the massacres of the Armenians on a list of 20th-century genocides. "At least one million, and possibly well over half of the Armenian population, are reliably estimated to have been killed or death-marched by independent authorities and eyewitnesses." Corroborating information, he said, was in reports in U.S., British and German archives and in those of contemporary diplomats in the Ottoman Empire; as he noted, Germany was Turkey's ally in the First World War. The Turkish position was that all evidence to the contrary was forged.

                  Some day Turkey will have to do what most of Europe has done and acknowledge its genocidal past.
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gavur

                    "Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"
                    Ummm, most politicians will "believe" what is most beneficial to them - so if that "me" has a strategic geopolitical position, or a big internal market, or an oil pipeline, or a few 100,000 voters then "me" evidence will be "believed" over "eye" evidence every time.
                    Plenipotentiary meow!

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