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    Turkey in Genocide Dispute with NATO Allies

    By Amberin Zaman
    Ankara
    11 May 2006



    Turkey has pulled out of a NATO military exercise in Canada and is considering sanctions against France for supporting Armenians who want the mass slaughter of their kin by Ottoman-Turk forces during and after World War I recognized as genocide.



    Members of Turkey's Workers' Party hold banners reading 'The genocide lie is an American game'
    A senior Turkish foreign ministry official confirmed Turkey would not be participating in an air force training exercise in Canada. Turkey's withdrawal is the latest in a series of moves aimed at conveying Ankara's anger over Canadian policy.

    Turkey recalled its ambassador last week after Canada's prime minister, Stephen Harper, characterized the mass slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Armenians by the Ottoman Turks as genocide.

    Mr. Harper's comments came as the French parliament prepares to debate a bill that would criminalize denial of the Armenian genocide and the Jewish Holocaust following World War II.

    Critics of the bill, which was introduced by the Socialist bloc, say it is calculated to win votes from France's Armenian community in elections scheduled for next year. The French move has broader ramifications as France is one of the most powerful members of the European Union, which Turkey hopes to join.

    Turkey has always denied that a genocide took place, but there are mounting calls from within the European Union to change its policy of denial as a condition for membership. Many Turks see such pressure as further evidence that the European Union does not want a poor Muslim country within its ranks.

    But despite the Ankara government's tough rhetoric, including veiled threats of economic sanctions against France, public debate on the fate of the Ottoman Armenians is growing in Turkey. Some prominent Turkish academics have gone as far as to say that the mass killings did amount to genocide.

    But even these intellectuals say they are opposed to France's efforts to criminalize denial of the Armenian genocide. They argue that such laws can only help to vindicate similar laws in Turkey that penalize Turks who dare to utter the word genocide in discussions of the fate of the Armenians after World War I.
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    What else is new?

    ANAVATAN's Özdogan fights fire with fire

    TDN
    Saturday, May 13, 2006

    Deputy submits proposal to punish those who back Armenian genocide
    claims

    ANKARA - TDN Parliament Bureau

    Motherland Party (ANAVATAN) Erzurum deputy Ä°brahim Özdogan has
    submitted a proposal to Parliament demanding that those who support
    claims of a genocide allegedly committed on Armenians in the days of
    the Ottoman Empire be punished with a prison term of between one and
    three years.

    The proposal recommended imprisonment for all who support the Armenian
    claims in their statements, articles, photos or cartoons and that the
    sentence be increased by half if the crime is committed by the media.

    According to Özdogan's proposal, those who benefit financially by
    making such claims should face a jail term of between three to five
    years.

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    Copyright 2006, Turkish Daily News. This article is redistributed with
    permission for personal use of Groong readers. No part of this article
    may be reproduced, further distributed or archived without the prior
    permission of the publisher. Contact Turkish Daily News Online at
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • #3
      NATO asks Turkey to open its air space in case of war with Iran

      NATO asks Turkey to open its air space in case of war with Iran

      /PanARMENIAN.Net/ NATO requested Turkey to open its air space in case of war with Iran, reports CNN-Turk without furnishing any information on Turkey’s response. Some media rates possibility of a positive answer as unlikely, since Turkey and Iran have been successfully developing relations recently. In part, Foreign Minister Gul said his state “is not afraid of export of Islamic revolution,” reports RFE/RL.

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      • #4
        For those who think as a NATO ally U.S. shouldn't recognize AG

        For those who think as a NATO ally U.S. shouldn't recognize AG

        List of NATO countries: (those that recognized AG in Bold)

        Belgium
        Bulgaria
        Canada
        Czech Republic
        Denmark
        Estonia
        France
        Germany
        Greece
        Hungary
        Iceland
        Italy
        Latvia
        Lithuania
        Luxembourg
        Netherlands
        Norway
        Poland
        Portugal
        Romania
        Slovakia
        Slovenia
        Spain
        Turkey
        United Kingdom
        United States

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hovik View Post
          For those who think as a NATO ally U.S. shouldn't recognize AG

          List of NATO countries: (those that recognized AG in Bold)

          Belgium
          Bulgaria
          Canada
          Czech Republic
          Denmark
          Estonia
          France
          Germany
          Greece
          Hungary
          Iceland
          Italy
          Latvia
          Lithuania
          Luxembourg
          Netherlands
          Norway
          Poland
          Portugal
          Romania
          Slovakia
          Slovenia
          Spain
          Turkey
          United Kingdom
          United States
          Denmark will be next. If the US indeed reconizes the genocide, the UK may follow suit. Bulgaria will eventually, even with its large Turkish minority.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • #6
            Maybe Turkey will eventually leave NATO
            General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Joseph View Post
              Maybe Turkey will eventually leave NATO
              I think that this is not the ideal wish or correct thinking.

              Ultimatly the purpose of (as close to as possible) universal recognition of the Armenian Genocide is to create an environment where Turkey is pressured to do the same - and this act (which is truly [directly] meaningful - unlike 3rd party recognition) - apart from being one that is an important first step for Armenians (and Turks) being able to confront the plethora of issues that denial prevents - and to allow Armenians to properly mourne their dead and loss (and ultimatly forgive and move on) - is that in getting Turkey to recognize reality - and acknowledge and accept (the negativity, destructiveness and unacceptability of) the hyper-nationalism (and the reality of the criminal behjavior that it spawned) - that brought about the Genocide and that continues as a factor in Turkish culture/society - is that this will (ultimatly) result in a transformation of the Turks (as a people) into a group that is acceptably human and who can be accepted by other (more) evolved/modern societies. Thus we don't want (to witness) regression. We don't want to "lose" the Turks - who are on the cusp of being decent and worthwhile as a people. And we certainly don't wan't them driven into the pre-enlightenment (narrow, draconian and judgemental) Muslim Theocratic fold. Ultimatly we want Turkey and Turks to be (decent and worthwhile) particpants in the modern community of nations. Armenian Genocide recognition - is an absolutly necessary first step for this process to begin - as only through confrontation with the truth of their past - and how it has made them what they are today and continues to influence them (negatively) in so many ways - can a self-reasssement on their part be possible and is the only way that false history and the structure of lies they have built for themselves be shed. It is something that we want to see. Don't you think? I know Armenians have (rightly and understandably) hardened their hearts to the Turks - and the reasons go beyond just the Genocide - but certainly culminate in it - but the Turks are not in fact whom we think they are. Much of what they are is us - or certainly somewhat close - an agglomeration of peoples/ethnicities. And the Turks themselves were victims of the forces that preyed upon and destroyed the Armenians as well. (Internal and external to the Empire) etc. Until their is a comming clean (by the Turkish powers that be - to us and to their own people) in regards to the Armenian Genocide none of this additional discovery (and healing and growth) is possible.

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              • #8
                This is of course is peacetime talk,lets not forget that we are in a (cold) war with the Turks!
                "All truth passes through three stages:
                First, it is ridiculed;
                Second, it is violently opposed; and
                Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                • #9
                  And if I may add when in war we don't always get to do the ideal scenario as much as prevent what woud be not acceptable to us.
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                    This is of course is peacetime talk,lets not forget that we are in a (cold) war with the Turks!
                    Of course - but what is the ultimate issue of contention?

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