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Greeks Going to Return Previous Status to St. Sophia Church in Istanbul

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    Greeks Going to Return Previous Status to St. Sophia Church in Istanbul

    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ “Free Agia Sophia Council in America” organizations has launched an international campaign to make St. Sophia an Orthodox Church again, American politician of Greek origin Chris Spiru stated a press conference in Manhattan. He presented the plan of the organization and emphasized that the matter concerns an international movement initiated in the U.S. which purposes the objective to retransform the Great Church of Saint Sophia in Constantinople into a Cathedral for all Orthodox believers.

    He said the Turkish government calls and uses the Church as a museum, organizes trade exhibitions, concerts and fashion shows in it. Sacrilege and desecration is taking place. We will use all the juridical and religious methods to achieve our goal,” Spiru underscored. In his words, simultaneously a collection of signatures will be organized. “Muslims grew indignant over the caricatures of Prophet Mohammed. We assert our right to pray in the church, which is a symbol for all Orthodox believers. I think, the moment when Turkey is striving to join the European Union is quite appropriate for it,” Mr. Spiru said, reported Greek.ru.
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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    These guys are living somewhere else. Ayasofia was the property of the latest King and that King already promised Vatican to make Ayasofia a Catholic Church. Ayasofia was lost by Orthodox people before Turks, and Fatih Sultan Mehmet got Ayasofia from the King, b`cause King already made it his own property.

    Actually the Orthodox Church themselves supported Fatih Sultan not their King before the conquest, cause they already saw that King is going to sell the orthodox faith to Vatican in order to get Vatican's political and military backing. Thats why Church supported
    Fatih SUltan Mehmet and welcomed him. They even spied and gave valuable intelligence information before the conquest.

    These Helenic friends have no idea what they're talking about.

    And by the way they can come and pray like the Greek tourists daily come and pray in Aya sofia. Nobody hinders them to pray inside.
    Formerly TurQ.

    "Zulum ile abad olanin, ahiride berbad olur"

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    • #3
      THis is Sultan AHmet(blue Mosque) built almost 1000 years later than Aya sofia


      Originally posted by Gavur


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      Formerly TurQ.

      "Zulum ile abad olanin, ahiride berbad olur"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by turque
        These guys are living somewhere else. Ayasofia was the property of the latest King and that King already promised Vatican to make Ayasofia a Catholic Church. Ayasofia was lost by Orthodox people before Turks, and Fatih Sultan Mehmet got Ayasofia from the King, b`cause King already made it his own property.

        Actually the Orthodox Church themselves supported Fatih Sultan not their King before the conquest, cause they already saw that King is going to sell the orthodox faith to Vatican in order to get Vatican's political and military backing. Thats why Church supported
        Fatih SUltan Mehmet and welcomed him. They even spied and gave valuable intelligence information before the conquest.

        Theres a saying in Armenian"A thief stole from another thief an God watched in amasament"
        "All truth passes through three stages:
        First, it is ridiculed;
        Second, it is violently opposed; and
        Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

        Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          Fatih Sultan saved Orthodoxy from Catholism, he would very well let Catholics and Orthodox kill each other and rule both, but he and rest of the Ottoman sultans prefer saving Orthodoxy. He could very well let him make all Greeks catholics or let catholics dominate them, and still get Ayasofia. He preserved all of the art work inside the Church and preserved it, he would very well let Catholics get it and let them destroy it or destroy all of the Orthodoc icons and artworks inside it. Unfortunetly they dont bother to see this.
          He also made Armenian church an official entity and made it a seperate church. And now in return he's labeled as "thief"
          Originally posted by Gavur
          Theres a saying in Armenian"A thief stole from another thief an God watched in amasament"
          Formerly TurQ.

          "Zulum ile abad olanin, ahiride berbad olur"

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            Originally posted by turque
            Fatih Sultan saved Orthodoxy from Catholism, he would very well let Catholics and Orthodox kill each other and rule both, but he and rest of the Ottoman sultans prefer saving Orthodoxy. "

            Could that be because most of the Sultans were of orthodox extraction?
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              [QUOTE=turque] He preserved all of the art work inside the Church and preserved it, he would very well let Catholics get it and let them destroy it or destroy all of the Orthodoc icons and artworks inside it. Unfortunetly they dont bother to see this.
              QUOTE]


              I have seen first hand all the painted over pictures inside of Jesus Christ pbhn
              these thieves did try to turn it into a mosque at one time.One of the most holly sites in all Christianity and its a museum? like Christianity died and dont exists?
              Again your relying on state rhetoric and not listening to your heart Im beggining to believe you are a false believer turQ!
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • #8
                No They are Muslim, even Sokollu Mehmet Pasha or Skollovic who is of Orthodox Serb origin were tied to Islamic faith sincerely. It is nothing to do with religon it is about justice for all the citizens of the state.
                Fatih Sultan also sent fermani humayun or sultan's charter to Catholic churches in Balkans, saying all Fransiscan priests and churches are under his protection and the protection of Ottoman state, any offensive to Fransiscans is an offensice to Sultan the charter says. The autentic charter could be found in Archives and a copy of that charter was given to Turkish soldiers who serve in Bosnia as peace keeping forces. The Priest of a small catholic chruch in central Bosnia said they dont understand what's written and asked Turkish army to get a translation, and it was the Ferman/Charter sent by Fatih Sultan.

                So basically it's the justice nothing else.


                Originally posted by Gavur
                Could that be because most of the Sultans were of orthodox extraction?
                Formerly TurQ.

                "Zulum ile abad olanin, ahiride berbad olur"

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                • #9
                  It is not holly anymore their king abolished its holyness. Turks saved it from destruction by the catholics, if the King were successful and Vaticans got the church, you wouldnt see Ayasofia today having those Orthodox icons and artworks. Thats the plain fact you know very well.
                  Formerly TurQ.

                  "Zulum ile abad olanin, ahiride berbad olur"

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                  • #10
                    In Islam we cant pray where there is a picture or a statue. It part of our religon's stance against idolatry. Thats why the pictures and mosaics are lightly painted without harming. If they have wanted they would have got rid of all of those artworks at once, they wouldnt wait 500+ years and keep it.

                    You have to tell us why they did preserve it for 500+ years.


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                    I have seen first hand all the painted over pictures inside of Jesus Christ pbhn
                    these thieves did try to turn it into a mosque at one time.One of the most holly sites in all Christianity and its a museum? like Christianity died and dont exists?
                    Again your relying on state rhetoric and not listening to your heart Im beggining to believe you are a false believer turQ![/QUOTE]
                    Formerly TurQ.

                    "Zulum ile abad olanin, ahiride berbad olur"

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