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  • Shamil Basayev Annihilated in Special Operation in Ingushetia


    11.07.2006 02:16 GMT-08:00
    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Shamil Basayev is annihilated in Ingushetia, along with several bandits, who were arranging acts of terrorism, Russian Federal Security Service Director Nikolay Patrushev reported to Russian President Putin. The Russian leader called annihilation of Basayev “a condign punishment” for acts of terrorism in Beslan and Budennovsk and ordered to award participants of the special operation.

    To finally affirm the fact of annihilation of Basayev a genetic expertise will be held, though the special services are a hundred percent sure in his death.

    In 1993 Shamil Basayev along with a detachment of Chechen Vakhabbits took part in the war against NKR on Azerbaijan’s side. Azerbaijan does not pay money to Basayev’s detachment, but provides arms and ammunition for fighting against Russian authorities.
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

  • #2
    Blast fron the Past: Azeri interview with Basayev



    He talks a bit about Artsakh.
    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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    • #3
      Basayev: From Rebel to Vicious Extremist

      How a student radical became the mastermind of insurgent outrages.
      By Thomas de Waal in London

      Institute for War & Peace Reporting, UK
      July 11 2006

      Shamil Basayev did not look like a man responsible for horrific
      atrocities. He was soft-spoken, and with his domed forehead, bushy
      beard and long Russian phrases, could have been mistaken for a Moscow
      intellectual. But if he was not frightening close up, few men have
      managed to terrify so many people across so wide an area.

      Basayev played on his reputation and treated the long vain attempts
      of the Kremlin to catch him as a kind of game. In rare interviews
      over the last few years, he suggested he enjoyed being labelled a
      dangerous terrorist and, in the last four years of his bloody career
      when he planned the hideous operations to seize the Dubrovka Theatre
      in Moscow and School No. 1 in Beslan, he lived up to the reputation.
      He not only planned the detail of the operations, he designed them to
      create maximum publicity and to cause the greatest possible humiliation
      for his enemies in the Kremlin.

      It is misleading to label Basayev as an Islamic militant. His
      background was as part of a Russified generation of Chechens who
      developed a strong streak of nationalism and despised all authority.
      As a student radical, he idolised Che Guevara and had a poster of
      the famous revolutionary on his wall.

      Basayev was born in 1965 in the traditionally warlike mountain
      village of Vedeno, once headquarters in the 19th century for the
      great Dagestani warrior leader Imam Shamil. His family had recently
      returned from collective Stalinist exile in Kazakstan, where they
      had suffered sickness from Soviet nuclear testing.

      Basayev studied in Moscow, where one of his teachers was Konstantin
      Borovoi, who later became a famous entrepreneur and politician. In
      August 1991, he joined the pro-democracy demonstrators defending the
      White House in Moscow in opposition to the attempted coup d'etat.

      In November 1991, he began his career of publicity stunts, hijacking
      an airliner to proclaim the Chechen pro-independence cause and then
      releasing all the passengers unharmed.

      Basayev then became a career warrior, restless and bored unless he
      was fighting someone somewhere. He fought on the Azerbaijani side in
      the Nagorny Karabakh conflict, being one of the last men to leave
      the besieged citadel of Shusha in May 1992 before the Armenians
      captured it.

      He then moved on to Abkhazia, where he joined a coalition of North
      Caucasian volunteers, Cossacks and Russian special forces officers
      in helping the Abkhaz win their bitter conflict with the Georgian
      government. He was appointed deputy defence minister of Abkhazia
      and still has many supporters there - though they do not voice those
      views in public in what is now a very pro-Russian region. Persistent
      rumours that he collaborated with the Russian secret services date
      from this time, but they have never been substantiated by any evidence.

      Basayev finally found his metier when Boris Yeltsin sent his troops
      into Chechnya in December 1994. He was involved in all major operations
      of the war of 1994-6, including the masterfully planned recapture of
      Grozny from the Russian army in August 1996.

      He should not have got out alive from his most extraordinary operation,
      his raid in June 1995 deep into the heart of southern Russia, which was
      halted when he seized a hospital in the town of Budyonnovsk. Following
      a botched assault by Russian special forces and the death of over a
      hundred people, the then Russian prime minister, Viktor Chernomyrdin,
      negotiated the free passage of Basayev and his men out of the town
      in return for the release of the hostages.

      In Russia, Basayev was seen as a bloodthirsty terrorist but in much
      of Chechnya he was regarded as a hero.

      Basayev was driven by a new motive with deep roots in Chechen culture,
      blood revenge, after 11 members of his family were killed in a bombing
      raid near Vedeno. By this time, many who talked to him found him more
      than slightly deranged. British journalist Victoria Clark, formerly
      Moscow correspondent of The Observer newspaper, recalls interviewing
      him in August 1995, when he was at the height of his popularity in
      the mountains of Chechnya.

      "We were spirited off to a place in the hills, where he was waiting
      for us," Clark recalled. "He spoke all night without stopping. Things
      got really out of hand when he started talking about sprinkling
      radioactive dust on the Kremlin."

      In the interview, Basayev revealed a strange obsession with the history
      of Russia, telling Clark, "The [Russian symbol, the] double-headed
      eagle is the epitome of unnatural evil. No living thing can survive
      like that, so it has to become a parasite on the blood of other
      nations."

      Basayev still had sufficient prestige in January 1997 to collect around
      a quarter of the vote in Chechnya's only ever internationally-monitored
      presidential election. But as Chechnya gained de facto independence and
      collapsed into chaos, his reputation began to plummet as he and other
      warlords were accused of corruption and involvement in kidnapping. His
      alliance with Saudi jihadist Emir Khattab alienated those Chechens who
      were tired of conflict and wanted a sensible accommodation with Moscow.

      Basayev appeared to positively enjoy being Russia's Enemy Number One,
      a mindset that had fatal consequences for both Russians and Chechens.
      In 1999, in defiance of Basayev's rival and president Aslan Maskhadov,
      he and Khattab led an armed incursion into the neighbouring republic
      of Dagestan. This was the cue for Russia's new prime minister Vladimir
      Putin to fly to Dagestan and begin preparations for a re-invasion
      of Chechnya.

      Basayev lost a foot fleeing the Chechen capital Grozny across a
      minefield at the beginning of the second Chechen conflict, confirming
      an almost mythical reputation amongst Chechen radical fighters that
      he could defy death anywhere. To the amazement of many, he lasted
      another six years, eclipsing the more moderate Maskhadov as he took
      on the role of an Islamic radical. He used the Internet to mock the
      Kremlin and boasted that he moved freely across the North Caucasus
      and even that he had married for a third time to a Russian woman in
      the Krasnodar region.

      The attacks on the Dubrovka Theatre and the school in Beslan confirmed
      that Basayev now had no compunction about targeting civilians anywhere
      in Russia. The deaths of 330 people in Beslan, half of them children,
      marked the final nadir in the descent of a man who had once claimed
      to be a democrat

      Basayev was a talented warrior and brilliant propagandist, and a very
      twisted and cruel human being. Very few will mourn his demise, with
      most Chechens breathing a sigh of relief that someone who blackened
      their reputation round the world is dead.

      Thomas de Waal is IWPR's Caucasus Editor.
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • #4
        Basayev fought for Azeris

        Terror in Karabakh
        Chechen Warlord Shamil Basayev's Tenure in Azerbaijan
        By Khatchig M.

        On July 10, 2006, Chechen guerrilla leader Shamil Basayev was killed in the
        village of Ekazhevo, in Ingushetia. Notorious for his responsibility in the
        Moscow Theatre siege (October 2002) and the Beslan school siege (September
        2004), Basayev was Moscow's most wanted man, and a national hero for many
        Chechens. His tenure in Abkhazia, Afghanistan, and Russia is well
        documented. Little is written, however, on Basayev's short tenure in Nagorno
        Karabakh in the early 1990s. Bits and pieces of information on Basayev's
        participation in the Karabakh war on the side of the Azeries could be found
        scattered in news reports, interviews, and commentaries published at the
        time in the Azeri, Armenian, and Russian media.

        Jihad in Karabakh

        Basayev arrived in Azerbaijan with his unit sometime in the early 1990s to
        fight against the Karabakh army along with the Azeris, allegedly at the
        invitation of official Baku. The exact date of his arrival proved to be
        difficult to specify by the information available with this writer, because
        of the conflicting reports.

        During and after the war, Chechen political figures often declined to
        comment on Basayev's tenure. For example, in an interview with Chechen
        opposition leader Movladi Udugov, published in "Golos Armenii" in July 28
        1999, the former prime minister was asked how real are the rumors that
        Chechen detachments headed by commander Shamil Basayev and Ruslan Gelayev
        took part in the Karabakh war. Udugov refused to comment.

        However, there are a number of statements made by Azeri political and
        military figures acknowledging Basayev's role in the war against the
        Armenians in Karabakh. In 2005, for example, Azeri Colonel Azer Rustamov,
        who had participated in the Karabakh war, recounts that in 1992, "hundreds
        of Chechen volunteers rendered us invaluable help in these battles led by
        Shamil Basayev and Salman Raduev."

        Last to Leave Shushi
        "One of the last fighters to leave Shusha (The Azeri name for Shushi) was
        the Chechen volunteer Shamil Basayev," states Thomas De Waal in his Book
        Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan Through Peace and War (NYU Press,
        2003). Shushi was captured May 1992. According to some reports in the
        Russian media, Basayev barely escaped being captured.

        In 2000, interviewed in Chechnya, Basayev told the Azerbaijani television
        company ANS: " Shusha was just abandoned. About 700 Armenians launched an
        offensive and it was just a veneer. With such a strong garrison and so many
        weapons, especially as Shusha itself is in a strategically significant
        position, one hundred men could hold it for a year easily. There was no
        organization. Today, we can take one specific general or minister, we can
        just take them and say you betrayed it, you took it, you sold it. It is all
        talk. There was no single management. No one was responsible for anything."

        According to Russian news reports, Basayev said that during his career as a
        fighter, he and his battalion only lost once, and that defeat came in
        Karabakh. He went on to say that the defeat was against the "Dashnak
        battalion".

        No Sign of Jihad

        As Sanobar Shermatova writes in an article on "(Amir Ibn) Khattab and
        Central Asia", published in Moscow News on September 13, 2000: "Chechen and
        Afghan fighters continued to fight in Nagorno-Karabakh until 1994. It is
        noteworthy that Kabul-Baku flights carried Afghan fighters while return
        flights took Chechens to training camps near the towns of Kunduz and Taloqan
        that were also home to bases of Tajik opposition whose armed units had by
        then been pushed out of the country and into Afghanistan."

        Basayev did not stay in Karabakh for long, because he thought the war had
        little to do with Jihad and so much more to do with nationalism. In an
        interview aired by Azerbaijani TV station ANS on June 14, 2000, he says:
        "Frankly, I personally took the mojahedins out of Azerbaijan. We did not
        arrived there (Karabakh) for personal gains but for jihad".

        In another interview, Basayev tells ANS: "We were greatly surprised by the
        enthusiasm and patriotism of the rank-and-file personnel of the Azerbaijani
        army and the apathy and mood of time-serving amongst the officer corps. We
        came there not for trophies, but for jihad and to help for the sake of God.
        But when we saw the situation, there was no sign of jihad. Often when great
        casualties were sustained because of the lack of talent and stupidity of the
        officers, simply because of the stupidity of commanders, no commander was
        punished."

        Would Basayev have helped Azeris in case war broke again in Nagorno
        Karabakh? In a report by Azerbaijani newspaper Yeni Musavat titled "Any
        method can be used to liberate Karabakh," The director of the Chechen Rights
        Centre and independent journalist Mayrbek Taramov says "Chechen leaders, for
        instance Shamil Basayev, used to say that they were ready to assist
        Azerbaijan in re-taking Karabakh. The Chechens are ready to keep their
        word".
        "The Chechens have once proven that and they are ready to help the
        Azerbaijani people for a second or third time. The Chechen mojahedin
        consider this their holy duty," adds Taramov.

        The short time Basayev spent in the region was crucial in his "career",
        because, according to some reports, it was there that he met Amir Ibn
        Khattab, sent to the region by Osama Bin Laden to participate in the civil
        war in Tajikistan and assist the Azeries in the war against the Armenians.
        It is with Khattab that Basayev later traveled to Afghanistan.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • #5
          Chechen court sentences Turk to 23 years in prison

          19:25 | 12/ 03/ 2007

          Print version

          ROSTOV-ON-DON, March 12 (RIA Novosti) - A court in Chechnya has sentenced a Turkish citizen to 23 years in prison for his involvement in terrorism and criminal activities on Russian territory, a local prosecutor's office said Monday.

          "The investigation established that Turkish citizen Ali Soitekinoglu underwent special military training in the Pankisi Gorge [Georgia] in the summer of 2001," the press service for the Russian Prosecutor General's office in the South Federal District said. "Later, as part of the Ruslan Gelayev criminal armed formation [killed in 2004], he illegally crossed the Russian border into Chechnya."
          ROSTOV-ON-DON, March 12 (RIA Novosti) - A court in Chechnya has sentenced a Turkish citizen to 23 years in prison for his involvement in terrorism and criminal activities on Russian territory, a local prosecutor's office said Monday. "The...

          It was also established that Soitekinoglu was involved in attacks on people, law enforcement officers and military servicemen of the Russian federal forces, as well as of committing a terrorist act that killed 14 police officers.
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gavur View Post

            11.07.2006 02:16 GMT-08:00
            /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Shamil Basayev is annihilated in Ingushetia, along with several bandits, who were arranging acts of terrorism, Russian Federal Security Service Director Nikolay Patrushev reported to Russian President Putin. The Russian leader called annihilation of Basayev “a condign punishment” for acts of terrorism in Beslan and Budennovsk and ordered to award participants of the special operation.

            To finally affirm the fact of annihilation of Basayev a genetic expertise will be held, though the special services are a hundred percent sure in his death.

            In 1993 Shamil Basayev along with a detachment of Chechen Vakhabbits took part in the war against NKR on Azerbaijan’s side. Azerbaijan does not pay money to Basayev’s detachment, but provides arms and ammunition for fighting against Russian authorities.
            I'm still happy he's dead.
            General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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            • #7
              Poor Chechens...the one people on Earth whose political leadership is arguably worse then the Kurds...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 1.5 million View Post
                Poor Chechens...the one people on Earth whose political leadership is arguably worse then the Kurds...
                Seriously. They won their freedom for the most part after the 1994-1996 war as brokered by Aleksandr Lebed and then Basayev screws it all up for them by going on a jihad in Dagestan in 1999. And now Basayev is pushing up daisies and the Russians re-took Chechnya. Sure the Chechens will fight on to the last man but soon enough there won't be anymore Chechens left.
                General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                • #9
                  Chechen commander assassinated in front of his own home


                  Thursday, 11 December 2008

                  Islam Canibekov, a former Chechen commander, was assassinated in front of his house in the Umraniye district of Istanbul. In September, another Chechen commander was also killed in Istanbul.

                  Returning home with his family after an evening with friends at approximately 22:00, 38-year-old Islam Canibekof was victim to an armed attack as he was getting out of his car. Canibekoff died instantly from three gunshots in plain sight of his wife and children. According to police investigations the gunshots hit the victim from a diagonal angle and the weapons used were especially made for the KGB. Known as 'small special guns' and used in assassinations, both the SP3 and SM4 models only let off minimal noise when shot. Police are stating that the previous Chechen commander that was murdered, Gazhi Edilsultanov was also killed by a 7.62 gun and the same weapon might have been used in both murders. Canibekof, who had been residing in Istanbul for six years now, and known for moving numerous times, had been living in Umraniye for two years and was involved in the blanket business.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joseph View Post
                    I'm still happy he's dead.
                    And I'm sad he's dead.

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