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    WORLD

    Congress weighs Armenian genocide resolutions
    Turkey's opposition prompts caution
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    By Karoun Demirjian
    Washington Bureau

    April 24, 2007

    WASHINGTON -- Every April 24, U.S. presidents commemorate the official day of remembrance of the Armenian genocide with a speech or statement carefully crafted to avoid use of the word "genocide."

    U.S. officials have avoided the word because Turkey, a key ally, strongly opposes the characterization to describe the early 20th Century deaths of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians at the hands of Ottoman Turks.

    In the past, members of the House and Senate have proposed resolutions calling on the president to utter the phrase "Armenian genocide," but the efforts have run aground in the face of political concerns voiced by both Democratic and Republican administrations.

    In the past year, however, the struggle over the word "genocide" has received international attention through a series of high-profile news events, commencing with the passage of a bill in the lower house of the French parliament criminalizing denial of the Armenian genocide and extending to the political murder of a prominent Turkish-Armenian journalist.

    The issue has caught the attention of many U.S. lawmakers, and with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) sympathetic to the cause, advocates are hopeful that by next year's commemoration survivors and their descendants will find closure to a 92-year struggle to gain official recognition for the mass killings that took place in the Ottoman Empire in World War I.

    Aram Hamparian, executive director of the Armenian National Committee of America, a Washington-based lobbying group, said that if the resolutions came to a vote in the full House and Senate, they would pass. "It's time to let public policy catch up with the truth," he said.

    The House version is co-sponsored by 190 lawmakers, with 29 senators supporting the nearly identical Senate version presented by Sen. xxxx Durbin (D-Ill.).

    Should the measures reach the floor, it would be the first time since 2000, when then-House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) responded to a request from the Clinton administration by pulling a resolution on the use of the word "genocide" only minutes before a scheduled vote.


    Bill stays in committee

    The bill's advocates had hoped that Pelosi, a longtime advocate for recognition of the Armenian genocide, would bring the bill to a floor vote by Tuesday.

    Yet the bill still is lingering in the House Foreign Affairs Committee, where it has not been scheduled for a vote.

    As a member of NATO and a key transit link for oil, Turkey has long been an important U.S. ally, and officials at the highest levels of the Bush administration are wary of straining that relationship.

    In a letter to Pelosi and House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Tom Lantos (D-Calif.) last month, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that Turkey -- which borders Syria, Iraq and Iran -- is "a linchpin in the transshipment of vital cargo and fuel" to U.S. troops in the Middle East.

    A negative reaction from Turkey to a resolution on the Armenian genocide "could harm American troops in the field, constrain our ability to supply our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and significantly damage our efforts to promote reconciliation between Armenia and Turkey," Rice and Gates wrote.

    Daniel Fried, assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, added to the alarm in March when he told Lantos' committee that Turkey could respond to a genocide bill by blocking U.S. access to Incirlik air base, a transit point in southeastern Turkey for nearly three-quarters of all military cargo headed for Iraq.

    But some legislators see the administration's warnings as misapplied fear-mongering.

    "You can essentially sum up the argument against recognition in one word: expediency," said Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), who is author of the House resolution and represents a district with the largest ethnic Armenian population in the country.

    "I don't see how we can speak with moral authority on the genocide in Darfur if we're unwilling to speak with clarity about the genocide against the Armenians," Schiff said. "It cannot be our policy that we'll recognize genocide when it's committed by the politically weak, as in Sudan, but not the politically strong, as in Turkey."

    Advocates of the bill add that a negative reaction from Turkey would not be crippling.

    "Each time we discuss this, Turkey has predicted the end of the world, or threatened to cut off all ties," Hamparian said.

    But since Turkey refused to let the U.S. use its territory as an entry point into Iraq during the 2003 invasion, he said, American dependence on Turkey has waned.

    "Turkey has relationships with the U.S. because it makes sense for Turkey," Hamparian said. "So these doomsday threats are really just threats to punish themselves."

    Turkey vehemently rejects the assertion that Armenian deaths during World War I constituted genocide, maintaining instead that those killed -- which it numbers at 300,000 -- were the unfortunate casualties of widespread war.


    Contentious issue in Turkey

    Genocide -- or lack thereof -- is a contentious issue within Turkey. Tension spiked in January with the murder of Hrant Dink, a prominent Turkish-Armenian journalist who had been sentenced to jail under Article 301 of the Turkish penal code, which makes it a crime to insult "Turkishness."

    Turkish officials have invoked his death -- publicly mourned by Armenians and Turks alike -- as a rallying point to call for more academic and historical dialogue between the two ethnic groups. That same call is being echoed by those attempting to stymie debate over the genocide issue in Congress.

    But Schiff questioned calls for dialogue from a country that he says is still campaigning to censor parts of the debate."There's really no denying that the murder of a million and half Armenians constituted genocide," he said. "Iran is in the business of hosting conferences denying the Holocaust. We shouldn't be in the business of supporting conferences to debate undeniable facts of genocide."

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    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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    • #42
      CONGRESSIONAL HELLENIC CAUCUS CALLS FOR PASSAGE OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE RESOLUTION


      -- ANCA Welcomes Support from 127-Member Group


      WASHINGTON, DC - In a sign of the growing bipartisan support in Congress for the Armenian Genocide Resolution (H.Res.106), the Caucus on Hellenic Issues - spearheaded by New York Democrat Carolyn Maloney and Florida Republican Gus Bilirakis - this week asserted that "it is time" for the U.S. government to recognize this crime against humanity, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).

      The Co-Chairs of the 127-member Caucus, in a May 23rd letter circulated to their House colleagues, stressed that, "it is time for our government to finally acknowledge that the unimaginable horror committed on Turkish soil in the aftermath of World War I was, and is, an act of genocide. The United States must stand up for human rights everywhere by renewing its commitment to prevent similar atrocities and by acknowledging that the Armenian Genocide is a historical fact."

      "We appreciate the leadership of Representatives Maloney and Bilirakis and support of the membership of the Hellenic Caucus for the timely adoption of the Armenian Genocide Resolution," said ANCA Executive Director Aram Hamparian. "We welcome, as well, the work of the American Hellenic Institute and all our friends in the Greek American community for full recognition of the genocidal crimes Turkey has committed against its Christian subjects."

      The Congressional Caucus on Hellenic Issues regularly cooperates on issues of mutual concern with the Armenian Issues Caucus, Co-chaired by Congressmen Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI). The American Hellenic Institute and the United Hellenic American Congress are among the Greek American organizations supporting the adoption of the Armenian Genocide Resolution. The ANCA, last week, joined with Hellenes around the world in marking May 19th, the day of remembrance for the genocide of the Pontian Greeks.

      H.Res.106, and its companion bill in the Senate, S.Res.106, call on the President to properly recognize the Armenian Genocide and to help ensure that the U.S. government applies the lessons of this atrocity in seeking to prevent future crimes against humanity. In the House, the resolution is being led by Representatives Adam Schiff (D-CA), George Radanovich (R-CA), Congressional Armenian Caucus Co-Chairs Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI), and Foreign Affairs Committee members Brad Sherman (D-CA) and Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI). The House measure has 196 cosponsors. The Senate bill, which is led by Senators Richard Durbin (D-IL) and John Ensign (R-NV), currently has 31 cosponsors, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV).

      A link to the Hellenic Caucus “Dear Colleague” letter is below.

      #####

      Click Here for Hellenic Caucus Dear Colleague


      source

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      • #43
        196 cosponsors?
        WOW!
        That is incredible.
        What do we need 220? ,to make it automatic?
        "All truth passes through three stages:
        First, it is ridiculed;
        Second, it is violently opposed; and
        Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

        Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Evropeos View Post
          CONGRESSIONAL HELLENIC CAUCUS CALLS FOR PASSAGE OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE RESOLUTION


          -- ANCA Welcomes Support from 127-Member Group


          WASHINGTON, DC - In a sign of the growing bipartisan support in Congress for the Armenian Genocide Resolution (H.Res.106), the Caucus on Hellenic Issues - spearheaded by New York Democrat Carolyn Maloney and Florida Republican Gus Bilirakis - this week asserted that "it is time" for the U.S. government to recognize this crime against humanity, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).

          The Co-Chairs of the 127-member Caucus, in a May 23rd letter circulated to their House colleagues, stressed that, "it is time for our government to finally acknowledge that the unimaginable horror committed on Turkish soil in the aftermath of World War I was, and is, an act of genocide. The United States must stand up for human rights everywhere by renewing its commitment to prevent similar atrocities and by acknowledging that the Armenian Genocide is a historical fact."

          "We appreciate the leadership of Representatives Maloney and Bilirakis and support of the membership of the Hellenic Caucus for the timely adoption of the Armenian Genocide Resolution," said ANCA Executive Director Aram Hamparian. "We welcome, as well, the work of the American Hellenic Institute and all our friends in the Greek American community for full recognition of the genocidal crimes Turkey has committed against its Christian subjects."

          The Congressional Caucus on Hellenic Issues regularly cooperates on issues of mutual concern with the Armenian Issues Caucus, Co-chaired by Congressmen Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI). The American Hellenic Institute and the United Hellenic American Congress are among the Greek American organizations supporting the adoption of the Armenian Genocide Resolution. The ANCA, last week, joined with Hellenes around the world in marking May 19th, the day of remembrance for the genocide of the Pontian Greeks.

          H.Res.106, and its companion bill in the Senate, S.Res.106, call on the President to properly recognize the Armenian Genocide and to help ensure that the U.S. government applies the lessons of this atrocity in seeking to prevent future crimes against humanity. In the House, the resolution is being led by Representatives Adam Schiff (D-CA), George Radanovich (R-CA), Congressional Armenian Caucus Co-Chairs Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI), and Foreign Affairs Committee members Brad Sherman (D-CA) and Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI). The House measure has 196 cosponsors. The Senate bill, which is led by Senators Richard Durbin (D-IL) and John Ensign (R-NV), currently has 31 cosponsors, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV).

          A link to the Hellenic Caucus “Dear Colleague” letter is below.

          #####

          Click Here for Hellenic Caucus Dear Colleague


          source
          Congressional Hellenic Caucus calls for passage of Armenian Genocide
          Resolution

          ArmRadio.am
          26.05.2007 11:36

          In a sign of the growing bipartisan support in Congress for the
          Armenian Genocide Resolution (H.Res.106), the Caucus on Hellenic
          Issues - spearheaded by New York Democrat Carolyn Maloney and Florida
          Republican Gus Bilirakis - this week asserted that "it is time" for
          the US government to recognize this crime against humanity, reported
          the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).

          The Co-Chairs of the 127-member Caucus, in a May 23rd letter
          circulated to their House colleagues, stressed that, "it is time for
          our government to finally acknowledge that the unimaginable horror
          committed on Turkish soil in the aftermath of World War I was, and is,
          an act of genocide. The United States must stand up for human rights
          everywhere by renewing its commitment to prevent similar atrocities
          and by acknowledging that the Armenian Genocide is a historical fact."

          "We appreciate the leadership of Representatives Maloney and Bilirakis
          and support of the membership of the Hellenic Caucus for the timely
          adoption of the Armenian Genocide Resolution," said ANCA Executive
          Director Aram Hamparian. "We welcome, as well, the work of the
          American Hellenic Institute and all our friends in the Greek American
          community for full recognition of the genocidal crimes Turkey has
          committed against its Christian subjects."

          The Congressional Caucus on Hellenic Issues regularly cooperates on
          issues of mutual concern with the Armenian Issues Caucus, Co-chaired
          by Congressmen Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI). The
          American Hellenic Institute and the United Hellenic American Congress
          are among the Greek American organizations supporting the adoption of
          the Armenian Genocide Resolution. The ANCA, last week, joined with
          Hellenes around the world in marking May 19th, the day of remembrance
          for the genocide of the Pontian Greeks.

          H.Res.106, and its companion bill in the Senate, S.Res.106, call on
          the President to properly recognize the Armenian Genocide and to help
          ensure that the U.S. government applies the lessons of this atrocity
          in seeking to prevent future crimes against humanity. In the House,
          the resolution is being led by Representatives Adam Schiff (D-CA),
          George Radanovich (R-CA), Congressional Armenian Caucus Co-Chairs
          Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI), and Foreign Affairs
          Committee members Brad Sherman (D-CA) and Thaddeus McCotter
          (R-MI). The House measure has 196 cosponsors. The Senate bill, which
          is led by Senators Richard Durbin (D-IL) and John Ensign (R-NV),
          currently has 31 cosponsors, including Senate Majority Leader Harry
          Reid (D-NV).
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • #45
            The Armenian Reporter editorial

            When truth matters



            The debate over the Armenian Genocide resolutions in Congress has come a long way.
            It is no longer about whether the Ottoman Turkish state in 1915 killed Armenians, sent them to waste away in the desert, pursued policies that caused many of them to convert, and drove them from their homes and homeland. It is no longer about whether Armenian civilization in Asia Minor was targeted for destruction and uprooted. It is not even about whether in doing all of this, the Turkish state was committing genocide.

            All of that is generally accepted.
            The debate is about whether it is helpful and convenient to acknowledge these truths.
            The proponents of Turkey’s official denial – joined unfortunately by the U.S. administration – have chosen to fight the genocide resolutions by arguing that Turkey will punish the United States if the Congress chooses to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide again.
            A more sophisticated version of the argument is that Turkish nationalists will take advantage of a resolution to generate anti-American sentiment in Turkey; instead, Turks should be allowed more time to come to grips on their own with the dark pages in the history of their country.

            Discretion may sound like a wise course in a tumultuous world. But in this case it sends precisely the wrong message to Turkey, to Sudan, and to any would-be genocidal state. It says you can ultimately get away with anything. Moreover, succumbing to Turkey’s blackmail and obscuring the truth are not honorable for the United States – especially when one part of the truth is that the U.S. government and the American people can be proud of the diplomatic and humanitarian role they played in 1915 and in the aftermath of the Armenian Genocide.


            As of now, 196 members of the House are cosponsors of the Armenian Genocide resolution.
            A large majority of House members will vote in favor of the resolution if it comes up for a vote.
            But the House leadership will not schedule it for a vote unless Armenian- Americans and their friends show themselves deeply committed to the passage of the resolution.

            The best way to do that is to get more than half the members of the House to co-sponsor the resolution. That’s 218 members.


            This is an excellent time to ask members of the House to co-sponsor the resolution. Now that an overwhelming majority of Americans disapprove of President Bush’s job performance, members of Congress who may have been reluctant to disregard the president’s foreign-policy advice in the past feel more comfortable than ever making their own judgments.

            But members of Congress will not co-sponsor the resolution, and the leadership will not schedule a vote, as we noted, unless they hear from us. Today we are not simply asking you to contact your representative about the resolution. Today we are asking you to mobilize everyone you know to do so.There are 55 members in particular who need to hear from their constituents. Here are 18 members of the Armenian Caucus who have not signed on as co-sponsors:

            Dave Camp (R.-Mich.)
            Ben Chandler (D.-Ky.)
            Vernon Ehlers (R.-Mich.)
            Tom Feeney (R.-Fla.)
            Luis Fortuno (R.-P.R.)
            Elton Gallegly (R.-Calif.)
            Darlene Hooley (D.-Ore.)
            Eddie Bernice Johnson (D.-Tex.)
            Marcy Kaptur (D.-Ohio)
            Peter King (R.-N.Y.)
            Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R.-Fla.)
            Jerry Moran (R.-Kan.)
            Bill Pascrell (D.-N.J.)
            Joseph Pitts (R.-Pa.)
            Jim Saxton (R.-N.J.)
            Adam Smith (D.-Wash.)
            Todd Tiahrt (R.-Kan.)
            Fred Upton (R.-Mich.)
            (Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D.-Md.) are members of the caucus but as top leaders of the House rarely if ever sign onto legislative initiatives.)

            Here are four members of Congress who co-sponsored the same resolution in the last Congress but have not co-sponsored the current resolution:
            John Barrow (D.-Ga.)
            Randy Kuhl (R.-N.Y.)
            John McHugh (R.-N.Y.)
            Mike McIntyre (D.-N.C.)

            And here are 33 new members of the House who haven’t signed on as co-sponsors.
            Jason Altmire (D.-Pa.)
            Michael Arcuri (D.-N.Y.)
            Nancy Boyda (D.-Kan.)
            Vern Buchanan (R.-Fla.)
            Christopher Carney (D.-Conn.)
            Kathy Castor (D.-Fla.)
            Stephen Cohen (D.-Tenn.)
            David Davis (R.-Tenn.)
            Joe Donnelly (D.-Ind.)
            Brad Ellsworth (D.-Ind.)
            Mary Fallin (R.-Okla.)
            Gabrielle Giffords (D.-Ariz.)
            Kristen Gillibrand (D.-N.Y.)
            John Hall (D.-N.Y.)
            Dean Heller (R.-Nev.)
            Baron Hill (D.-Ind.)
            Mazie Hirono (D.-Hawaii)
            Jim Jordan (R.-Ohio)
            Steve Kagen (D.-Wis.)
            Ron Klein (D.-Fla.)
            Nick Lampson (D.-Tex.)
            Dave Loebsack (D.-Iowa)
            Harry Mitchell (D.-Ariz.)
            Patrick Murphy (D.-Pa.)
            William Sali (R.-Idaho)
            Joe Sestak (D.-Pa.)
            Carol Porter-Shea (D.-N.H.)
            Heath Shuler (D.-N.C.)
            Adrian Smith (R.-Neb.)
            Tim Walberg (R.-Mich.)
            Peter Welch (D.-Vt.)
            Charlie Wilson (D.-Ohio)
            John Yarmuth (D.-Ky.)


            Are you involved in an organization? Do you have friends and family? Then how about organizing a phone blitz? Everyone in the group should call several – say seven – people they know, help them identify their representative in Congress, and urge them to contact the member. And then the next day, follow up. Sure, email is a good way to do the same thing.
            Or you might try text messaging. But however you get others to join you, do it, and do it now.
            Your friends should ask their members of Congress to cosponsor House Resolution 106, the Armenian Genocide resolution.
            And what if your representative is already a cosponsor? Thank him or her. Remember that some representative succumb to pressure and withdraw their co-sponsorship. So it’s good to let co-sponsors know that you appreciate their efforts.

            To find out whether your representative is a co-sponsor, visit http://thomas.loc.gov type
            “H. Res. 106” in the box for “Bill number” and then click on “Bill Summary and Status.”
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Ga vur View Post
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              This statement says much about you - nothing good.

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              • #47
                [QUOTE=Ga vur;24581]
                xQUOTE]

                Perhaps you need to go back to your Gobi desert lair, you piece of sc*m.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by steph View Post
                  Perhaps you need to go back to your Gobi desert lair, you piece of sc*m.
                  How clever, Ga vur. Ga vur has been banned; the real Gavur has been vindicated. It is almost as if Ga vur never existed.
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                  • #49
                    I guess its an honor for me to be the "Real" Gavur.
                    He-heh!
                    "All truth passes through three stages:
                    First, it is ridiculed;
                    Second, it is violently opposed; and
                    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                      I guess its an honor for me to be the "Real" Gavur.
                      He-heh!
                      Yes that you are - he only dreams of wishing to be the/a true Gavur...meanwhile of course he is just a lowly Turk groveling in his own filfth.

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