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  • #1

    France feels the heat

    BBC World Service.

    Last Updated: Thursday, 5 April 2007, 11:50 GMT 12:50 UK

    Genocide' row threatens pipeline
    Turkish protests in Ankara

    Turkey has suspended talks with Gaz de France over a key gas pipeline, in protest at a French bill about the killing of Armenians in World War I.

    The planned pipeline would carry natural gas from the Middle East and Central Asia to Austria through Turkey.

    The French Parliament is considering a law that would make it an offence to deny that Ottoman Turks committed genocide against Armenians.

    The draft law was approved by the National Assembly in October.

    It will be considered by the Senate next and then return to the lower house before it becomes law.

    Turkish denials

    The 4.6bn euro ($6.1bn; £3.1bn) Nabucco pipeline project is supposed to reduce the European Union's reliance on Russian gas.

    It also passes through Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, which have already reached agreement with Gaz de France.

    The Turkish government denies that as many as 1.5 million Armenians were killed in systematic killings between 1915 and 1917 under the Ottoman Empire.

    It says that thousands of Turks and Armenians were killed when Armenians sided with Russian troops invading the empire, but many countries have since recognised the killings as genocide.

    The Nabucco pipeline also passes through Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, which have already reached agreement with Gaz de France.
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  • #2
    I think this is a non-issue
    France wil negotiate with Armenia for the iranian pipline delivery and russia.
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • #3
      Turkey aims to pressure Europe over Nabucco natural gas pipeline

      Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany of Hungary called Nabucco "an old dream."





      nytimes.com
      http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/05/business/pipe.php?page=2

      By Judy Dempsey
      Published: April 5, 2007






      Russia has already built the Blue Stream natural gas pipeline that reaches Turkey by running under the Black Sea. Gazprom now plans to extend this pipeline up through Romania and Serbia into Hungary with Hungarian support, even though Hungary is a member of the Nabucco consortium.

      Ferenc Gyurcsany, the prime minister of Hungary, and Vladimir Putin, Russia's president, agreed last June to extend the Blue Stream pipeline up through southeastern Europe to Hungary.

      During an interview last month, Gyurcsany said Nabucco was "a dream. An old dream. We cannot heat apartments with dreams." He also said that an extended Blue Stream project was much better organized.

      Turkey has made threats against France before. After the vote in the National Assembly, Turkey's armed forces said that they would freeze bilateral ties with its NATO ally. But officials at NATO say that there has been no sign of any change in French-Turkish relations.
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gavur View Post
        I think this is a non-issue
        France wil negotiate with Armenia for the iranian pipline delivery and russia.
        I'm not too certain about it for a few reasons (though I hope you are correct):

        1. I believe the purpose of the Nabucco pipeline was to latch on to Baku-Ceyhan and avoid Russia altogether.
        2. Russia has not signaled yet whether they will link up to the Armenian-Iranian gas pipeline (which would have to traverse Georgia and we know very well that both countries cannot even agree on what day it is); Russia is still miffed that Armenia went against them and linked up with Iran.
        3. The French company will most certainly pressure the government not to pass the resolution which will certainly play a factor.

        That being said, Turkey could be crying wolf. Seven years after offical recognition of the Armenian Genocide, French-Turkish trade has tripled. It could be an idle threat. Why cut off your nose to spite you face, Turkey?
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • #5
          It's fake news
          Our reliable secular media at work again
          France was suposed to be the money man as a 6th partner in this scheme anyways.
          France being the male figure in this deal can spend its money with any females she wants lol!
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #6
            I agree that France will take the Iranian Gas and make Turkey's pressure attempt be blown to the wind ...

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            • #7
              Russia would be the worst possible supplier of energy for any country, witness the recent hikes in prices forced by Gazprom.
              Gazprom has intimated that unless it is allowed to buy certain Western European utility companies, prices will rise again or supplies even cut off.
              What an excellent choice to have to make....turkish or Iranian supplies....I can hear the fiddles starting up for the first chorus of the dance.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                I think this is a non-issue
                France wil negotiate with Armenia for the iranian pipline delivery and russia.
                In as much as France is concerned, probably.
                However, the threats made by turkey are heard by the international diplomatic/business community and can/will deter other possible recognisers.
                I wish, for example, that the UK had the fortitude of the French in these (and other) matters.
                The beauty of the French is that once they make a stance, they tend to stick by their guns unlike the UK and US who will sway in the breeze.
                Therefore, it is probably still an issue.

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                • #9
                  Turkey denies halting gas talks with France

                  http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/de...8131&bolum=106
                  Turkey has not officially suspended talks with Gaz de France over the Nabucco pipeline project to bring Caspian gas to Europe, the energy minister said on Wednesday, but energy officials said Ankara had also begun talks with other firms on joining Nabucco.




                  Senior Turkish energy officials had said last week talks with the French company had been halted in protest at a French bill making it a crime to deny genocide was committed against Armenians at the hands of Ottoman Turks during World War One.

                  "Nabucco is an extremely important project for us and the process is continuing normally. Gaz de France has not been suspended from the project," Energy Minister Hilmi Guler told reporters. But he said economic, strategic and political issues, including the French bill, would be taken into account when selecting the sixth partner for the project. A senior Turkish energy official, who declined to be named, told Reuters the government had been pressured to tone down its statement on GDF following political and diplomatic lobbying. "Turkey, which is seeking European Union membership, looked favourably at companies from Germany and Ukraine which want to join the project as Nabucco's sixth member instead of GDF," the official said.

                  The 4.6 billion euro ($6.14 billion) project envisages transporting natural gas from Turkey to Austria, passing through Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary and would reduce Europe's dependency on Russian gas. The four other countries have already approved a partnership with Gaz de France in the project. Austrian oil and gas group OMV heads the consortium planning to build the pipeline. Bulgargaz, Transgaz from Romania, MOL of Hungary and Turkey's Botas are also partners in the project. The planned pipeline -- a project backed by the EU and the United States -- would reduce Europe's dependency on Russian gas but has already hit several hurdles. If construction of the 3,300 km (2,050 mile) pipeline starts in 2008, it could begin operating in 2011. It could transport annually 25.5 to 31 billion cubic metres of gas by 2020. Turkey remains angry at the French national assembly's approval last year of a bill making it a crime to deny that the mass killings of Armenians during World War One amounted to genocide. The bill has not become law. Ankara rejects claims by Armenia and other countries that Ottoman Turks committed a systematic genocide against 1.5 million Arme-nians during World War One.


                  12.04.2007

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                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #10
                    Touche, Gavur.
                    I had to smile when I read this article, knowing that you would probably post it here.
                    However, I still feel that any threats, real or paper, by turkey, can have an adverse effect on states considering Genocide Recognition.
                    turkey plays to the gallery as well as any country, always has and always will.

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