Murad Gümen is the fascist behind tallarmeniantale

[bell-the-cat]

BTW, someone has set up a site called muradgumen.org

[Gavur]

BTW, someone has set up a site called muradgumen.org

Your caught me with my hand in it ,but I was actually wondering about the identity behind muradgumen.org
ya think Akcam?

[bell-the-cat]

Your caught me with my hand in it ,but I was actually wondering about the identity behind muradgumen.org
ya think Akcam?

Actually, I had misunderstood the blog! I thought he was talking about muradgumen.com.

muradgumen.org does seem not to be listed on google - but is on other search engines like altavista.

But my comment remains the same - google should not be censoring access to a website, or be being encouraged to censor access to other websites.

However, the use of muratgumen.org as a domain name clearly breaks the rules about domain name usage and ownership, so if Gumen has, or were to, complain to ICANN the use of that domain name would certainly be suspended.

[Joseph]

Please check out www.blogian.net and you can see and respond to some of the Turkish denialist postings.

[Gavur]

Holdwater, in denial, responds

http://blogian.hayastan.com/2007/07/03/holdwater-in-denial-responds/#comments

http://blogian.hayastan.com/2007/07/03/holdwater-in-denial-responds/

[Joseph]

Taner Akcam responds

A Statement by Taner Akçam
July 16, 2007
In May 2007, I revealed the identity of Murad “Holdwater” Gümen, the secretive Webmaster of Tall Armenian Tale, an extensive and influential site devoted to “the other side of the falsified Genocide” and the defamation of genocide scholars, myself included. Mr. Gümen has been a leading voice in an ongoing campaign to denounce me as a traitor to Turkey and as a terrorist who ought to be of interest to American authorities.
For the last three years, disinformation about me from Tall Armenian Tale has been disseminated all over the Internet, eventually reaching the open-source encyclopedia, Wikipedia. This campaign, which intensified after the November 2006 publication of my book, A Shameful Act: The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility, culminated in my detention by Canadian and American border authorities last February, on suspicion of terrorism. As evidence, they showed me my vandalized Wikipedia biography.
Just one month before this incident, the assassination of Istanbul-based journalist Hrant Dink by an ultranationalist gunman had put Turkey’s intellectuals on high alert. We knew that in the months before his death, Mr. Dink had been targeted by an increasingly vicious media campaign intent on portraying him as a traitor. Among other things, Dink was pilloried for revealing the Armenian identity of Sabiha Gökçen, the adopted daughter of Turkey’s founding father, Kemal Ataturk. Leading the pack against Dink was Hürriyet newspaper, one of the most influential publications in Turkey.
In the campaign against me, disinformation from Tall Armenian Tale was copied to YouTube videos describing my “terrorist” activities. I received death threats by email. My lectures and book tour were disrupted, and poison-pen letters were sent to the hosting universities. Following my lecture on November 1, 2006, at City University of New York, I was physically assaulted.
My detention was the last straw. I challenged Mr. Gümen to stand up in public.
The unmasking of an individual who had been running a campaign of slander against me was presented to readers of Hürriyet as a criminal or unethical act. I was said to have endangered Mr. Gümen’s life.
“Murad Gümen, who has been defending Turkey for over 30 years under the assumed name ‘Holdwater,’ had his identity unmasked by Taner Akçam, supporter of the claim of a so-called genocide….Upon publication of his identity, Gümen became a target and has been the subject of a hate campaign.”—“Secret Lobbyist Deciphered,” Hürriyet, June 21, 2007
“Murad Gümen, whose identity was unmasked by Taner Akçam, has been the target of a flood of insults sent by Armenians via the Internet. Gümen, who’s been accused of racism, has had his photograph published on the Web….[Taner Akçam]’s disappeared. It has not been possible to reach Taner Akçam….Murad Gümen is a successful illustrator and film producer who lives in America.”—“Immediate Target,” Hürriyet, June 22, 2007
“Taner Akçam fled Turkey years ago. He lives overseas, in the United States at this point, and gets fed by the Armenian lobby. He vomits hate towards our country in all of his books and his speeches. Recently he unmasked the Web site that was maintained by Murad Gümen, who has been defending the Turkish position on Armenian issues in the United States, and he revealed the latter’s identity which had been kept secret until now. This individual named Taner Akçam who has spent his life living outside of the country, writing articles and giving speeches against Turkey…[T]his individual…escaped overseas, works in opposition to Turkey, betrayed his country, and serves the Armenian lobby by promoting the position that ‘there was an Armenian genocide’ all over the world!”—Emin Çolasan, “Bravo Atilla Koç! This is How You Introduce Turkey!”, Hürriyet, June 23, 2007
Hürriyet’s reportage concerns me deeply, for three reasons.
First, it bears an uncanny resemblance to the lynching mentality that was created against Dink. Having revealed the identity of a secret slanderer, I am now being denounced as a traitor who “vomits hate towards our country.”
My second cause for concern has to do with an anonymous email that I received on June 11, 2007: “Today we have started fighting you and those creatures you call your friends, within the boundaries of the law. But if we don’t get the result we’re looking for, we’ll start trying other alternative ways. It would be better for world peace and truth if sewer germs like you were taken off the planet…tomorrow is going to be much more difficult for you. Pray that the devil takes you away soon because otherwise you’ll be living a hell on earth… you think you’ve discovered who “Holdwater” is …you have gotten it all wrong. Right now the world is full of millions of Holdwaters…One day you and your wild Armenian blood brothers will drown in this sea of Holdwaters…The truth hurts…it really does. One day you are going to feel the pain so badly that when you read these lines, you’ll remember how you were.” The similarity in character between the campaign against me by Hürriyet and the language used in this threatening email is frightening.
The writer of that letter concludes, “Who am I? You’re going to find out, Taner, you’re going to find out.” Was it a coincidence that the Hürriyet campaign began just 10 days later?
Third, Hürriyet cold-bloodedly disregarded the most basic principles of journalism. Their headline on the second day of coverage proclaimed that I had “disappeared.” Readers were given the impression that I had gone into hiding the day after Hürriyet reported my unmasking of Murad “Holdwater” Gümen.
The fact is that my office address, telephone numbers, and email address are all available online. The University of Minnesota, College of Liberal Arts, the Department of History, and the Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies have full-time staff. There is no record of a call, not one single email, from Hürriyet. They never bothered to contact me. They didn’t check their facts or attempt to interview me. And when I demanded a correction, the editor-in-chief ignored my letter.
Thus, in Dink’s case and also in mine, one of the most influential and widely circulated national newspapers does not hesitate to transform itself into a weapon. Once again, intellectuals and activists who dare to question the government’s “official history” are being put on notice. This shameful campaign not only endangers my life and the lives of my colleagues, my family and friends; ironically enough, the very notion of free expression is being undermined by the very institution that depends on it most: the public press.
And what is the point, after all? I published a scholarly study that deviated from the official position of the Turkish State. One should ask the Turkish authorities whether they truly believe that shooting the messenger will prove that their position on 1915 is the correct one.

[1.5 million]

Akcam is a very brave man and a person of great integrity. He is not someone who has hidden from public view and who slanders others anonomously. He is also a scholar whose research has been critically peer reviewed and who actually does research and discovery in the first place. WHo is this Murad Gumen anyway? A hateful cartoonist who has hidden his identity and even when "outed" hasn't the courage to admit who he is and what he has been up to. And the content of his webpages - pure hatred - utterly unsupported and unscholarly - a deniers hate page full of nastiness and slanders with nothing of value to any real debate or discovery about this (or any) issue. And they accuse Akcam of cowardice and shifty tactics. Turks need to grow up. And I do fear for his safety (Ackam's of course)...though I wouldn't necissarily wish Gumen physical harm...in fact I'd like him to be around when the day comes where his hateful words and ideas (if one can call them that) are thoroughly and publically repudiated and known by all for what they are and what he is - and even better - for when Turkey finally admits and apologizes.

[1.5 million]

A Statement by Taner Akçam
Thus, in Dink’s case and also in mine, one of the most influential and widely circulated national newspapers does not hesitate to transform itself into a weapon. Once again, intellectuals and activists who dare to question the government’s “official history” are being put on notice. This shameful campaign not only endangers my life and the lives of my colleagues, my family and friends; ironically enough, the very notion of free expression is being undermined by the very institution that depends on it most: the public press.
And what is the point, after all? I published a scholarly study that deviated from the official position of the Turkish State. One should ask the Turkish authorities whether they truly believe that shooting the messenger will prove that their position on 1915 is the correct one.

A most excellent point - and one that should cause any western nation and any citizen of any western nation that holds the values that our Democracies and societies have been based upon to severly question the eligibility of such a nation that supports this type of controlled press and these type of reactionary nationaliszitc values to be thought of as a true participant and/or member of this community of nations and peoples. EU memebers are you watching?

[phantom]

So now they're threatening Akcam's life. I wonder what the response will be if even a hair on Akcam's head is harmed? On his pathetic website, Mr. Gumen portrays ASALA as being live and well. He should hope that he is wrong about that.

[Joseph]

So now they're threatening Akcam's life. I wonder what the response will be if even a hair on Akcam's head is harmed? On his pathetic website, Mr. Gumen portrays ASALA as being live and well. He should hope that he is wrong about that.

Akcam, Gocek, Shafak, etc receive almost daily threats. I would not be surprised if Akcam is assassinated by the Turks.

As far as the ASALA goes, Gumen is wrong. The ASALA ceased to exist around 1986-87 due to infighting between Hagop Hagopian versus Monte Melkonian's wing. Regardless of Turkey's actions, terrorism would be/has been counterproductive to our cause and only gives them an excuse to continue denying genocide. Their postions grows everymore untenable on a daily basis so we must keep up the pressure.