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    Bush to Congress: Don't cross Turks on Armenians

    by Frank James

    Much of the world acknowledges the genocide of as many as 1.5 million Armenians by Ottoman Turks between 1915 and 1923 , a genocide that's often called the first in a century of genocides--the 20th century.

    But it's taboo to talk about the genocide in Turkey where many Turks deny the mass murders ever happened.

    And apparently, because of increasing pressure from Turkey, it’s now taboo as well for the U.S. Congress to pass a resolution calling on Bush Administration foreign policy to take account of the Armenian genocide.

    President Bush came as close as a president comes to publicly begging Congress not to pass the resolution.

    House Resolution 106, which is to be considered this afternoon by the House Foreign Affairs Committee, starts thusly:

    Calling upon the President to ensure that the foreign policy of the United States reflects appropriate understanding and sensitivity concerning issues related to human rights, ethnic cleansing, and genocide documented in the United States record relating to the Armenian Genocide, and for other purposes.

    That language seems straightforward enough. But the Turkish government so fiercely opposes the resolution that U.S. officials have clearly been warned that the resolution's passage could jeopardize Turkish cooperation on Iraq.

    That would be disastrous for U.S. troops in Iraq since much of the materiel and oil that keeps them going passes through Turkey, the U.S.'s longtime and NATO member.

    So worried is the Bush Administration, that President Bush appended some remarks about his opposition to the resolution to comments he made this morning on the South Lawn on a completely different matter, improvements to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act:

    Bush said:

    On another issue before Congress, I urge members to oppose the Armenian genocide resolution now being considered by the House Foreign Affairs Committee. We all deeply regret the tragic suffering of the Armenian people that began in 1915. This resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings, and its passage would do great harm to our relations with a key ally in NATO and in the global war on terror.

    To drive home the message he sent Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates out to underscore the difficulties that would be created for U.S. efforts in Iraq if Turkey decides to stop cooperating with the U.S.

    SEC. RICE: We have just come from a meeting with the president and from a meeting with our team in Iraq and in the field, and we just wanted to make a brief comment about the Armenian Genocide Resolution that is before the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee today. And we are all in agreement that the passage of this resolution would be very destabilizing to our efforts in the Middle East, very destabilizing to our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, because Turkey, as an important strategic ally, is very critical in supporting the efforts that we are making in these crucial areas.
    I just want to note that General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker brought up the issue of this Armenian Genocide Resolution, as did Admiral Fallon, and ask that we do everything that we could to make certain that it does not pass.

    I'm going to turn to Secretary Gates. But let me just say that this is not because the United States fails to recognize the terrible tragedy of 1915, the mass killings that took place there, that President Bush had spoken about this issue repeatedly throughout his presidency. We have encouraged the Turkish government to work with the Armenian government to put together a way to overcome and reconcile these horrible -- this horrible past and these terrible differences. We believe that there is some improvement in Turkish- Armenian relations.

    So this is not to ignore what was a really terrible situation. And we recognize the feelings of those who want to express their concern and their disdain for what happened many years ago. But the passage of this resolution at this time would indeed be very problematic for everything that we are trying to do in the Middle East because we are very dependent on a good Turkish strategic ally to help with our efforts.

    And maybe I could turn to Secretary Gates for a couple of comments.

    SEC. GATES: Just a word or two. The reason that the commanders raised this issue as our heavy dependence on Turkey in terms of resupply in Iraq -- about 70 percent of all air cargo going into Iraq comes -- goes through Turkey; about a third of the fuel that they consume goes through Turkey or comes from Turkey. They believe clearly that access to airfields and to the roads and so on in Turkey would be very much put at risk if this resolution passes and the Turks react as strongly as we believe they will.

    Just one other small fact is that, as you know, we're airlifting these MRAPs, these Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, right now into Iraq; 95 percent of those MRAPs going into Iraq right now are flying -- are being flown in through Turkey. And so our heavy dependence on the Turks for access is really the reason the commanders raised this and why we're so concerned about the resolution.


    Since what's on the table in the House is a resolution that doesn't need a presidential signature, not a bill making law, the president can’t exercise a veto like he has recently on legislation he has found objectionable.

    All he can do is jawbone Congress and raise the prospect of the U.S. military being punished if Turkey retaliates, which the administration clearly believes is likely judging by the urgency it attaches to this issue.

    To many minds, the situation the U.S. finds itself in with Turkey is akin to being blackmailed.

    "Is Turkey blackmailiing the U.S.?" a reporter asked White House Press Secretary Dana Perino at today's press briefing.

    "Absolutely not," she said.
    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

  • #2
    No - not blackmail - not at all (just like it was not Genocide...) - its just dirty, cowardly, underhanded, revealing, threatening persusion....yeah, thats the ticket...with friends like these eh? (could the lesson for US policymakers not be more clear?)

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    • #3
      Easy solution to these threats....take all the subsudies and foreign aid currently being given to Turkey ($6 Billion was specifically approriated as a payoff for allowing military shipments into Iraq from a base already leased from the Turks...and this is in addition to hundreds of millions of annual payments - Turkey being the 3rd largest recipient of US foreign aid - and this is in addition to numerous other programs where the US gives Turkey surplus military and other equipment - free of charge and off the books...) and instead pay other nations to host US forces to support activities in the region. What other ally has been so continually contrary to US interests and threatens to withold support whenever they please.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 1.5 million View Post
        Easy solution to these threats....take all the subsudies and foreign aid currently being given to Turkey ($6 Billion was specifically approriated as a payoff for allowing military shipments into Iraq from a base already leased from the Turks...and this is in addition to hundreds of millions of annual payments - Turkey being the 3rd largest recipient of US foreign aid - and this is in addition to numerous other programs where the US gives Turkey surplus military and other equipment - free of charge and off the books...) and instead pay other nations to host US forces to support activities in the region. What other ally has been so continually contrary to US interests and threatens to withold support whenever they please.
        I agree. And how about closing Incirlik and constructing a US Airforce base in Northern Iraq..amongst people that actually want us there.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • #5
          More on blackmail

          Press Briefing by Dana Perino
          James S. Brady Briefing Room

          The latest news and information from the Biden-Harris administration.


          12:42 P.M. EDT

          MS. PERINO: I forgot one schedule update that I needed to give you this morning, so -- sorry, I should have done it before I came out here. On Monday, October 15th, the President will leave Crawford and travel to Rogers, Arkansas. He'll have a full day of events there, and he will underscore the importance of pro-growth economic policies and spending restraint to ensure continued economic prosperity and lowering of the federal budget deficit. We'll have details on that trip for you later today.

          Q Whole day of activities?

          MS. PERINO: He'll have several different events. So we'll get those for you.

          Q The President said today that the Armenia genocide resolution was not the right response to the historic mass killings. What is the -- what does he consider to be the correct response?

          MS. PERINO: One thing the President has done every year since he got here is issue a presidential message. This year it was on April 24, 2007. And one of the things the President said in it -- and I quote -- is that "I join my fellow Americans and Armenian people around the world in commemorating this tragedy and honoring the memory of the innocent lives that were taken. The world must never forget this painful chapter of its history." The statement is much longer than that, but the President believes that that is the way to deal with this historic tragic situation.

          Q What does he think, in real terms, the consequences of passing the resolution would be?

          MS. PERINO: Well, I think you also heard from Secretary -- the President and Secretary Rice and Secretary Gates heard from General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker and Admiral Fallon this morning and they got an update on it. We've obviously heard from the Turkish government over time that they do not want to see this resolution passed in the House of Representatives. It's come up over the years. But also, right now we have 160,000 of our troops in harm's way in Iraq, and Turkey has been a very valuable ally and their strong reaction -- negative reaction -- about this resolution is what caused the President to come out today and ask members of Congress to oppose it.

          Q What do we think that Turkey will do?

          MS. PERINO: Well, I think that's a hypothetical and I'm not going to comment on it. I'd refer you to the Turks for any comment that they want to make on it. I just know that Secretary Rice and Secretary Gates felt strongly enough, after hearing from the commanders on the ground, that they needed to go and make a public statement asking Congress to oppose it.

          Q Is Turkey blackmailing the United States?

          MS. PERINO: Absolutely not. I think that they've made their position very clear over the years. And the President has also, through presidential messages, made it clear how we feel about the Armenian people, and understand the heartache and frustration that they feel about what happened in 1915.

          Q Turkey has not shown hesitancy in the past to influence United States' thinking by either allowing troops to come through or there's landing rights issues. There's lots of ways in which they can influence. So if the war on terror -- they know their role in the United States war on terror, and they're saying, don't do this, what else are you supposed to make of it?

          MS. PERINO: Well, I think that they are making their points clear, just like we make our points clear to other governments, as well. And we do believe that the Turks and the Armenians should have a discussion and work this out amongst themselves. And they are having discussions. We've encouraged those and I think that's the -- where it is best dealt with. The United States House of Representatives has a lot of business before it, including passing any of our -- or getting conferees appointed to the appropriations bills so that we can actually get the budget underway. So there's a lot of work that they could be doing rather than this.

          Q One last follow. In terms of understanding sort of the power of the word "genocide," what is the biggest problem the Turks have communicated that they have an issue with it being called a genocide as opposed to a tragedy?

          MS. PERINO: I'll have to refer you to this Turkish government for that. I don't -- I'm not going to speak for them.

          Q A question on FISA. The President said even though the bill currently before Congress isn't finalized, he was concerned and he said there are deficiencies in it. Is there some specifics that you want to point out?

          MS. PERINO: Sure. There's a couple of things. First of all, the law that the Congress passed last August put a six-month sunset on the bill. The President said that we would -- we had to have the closure of the intelligence gap. So we said that we were willing to go forward with the bill for a six-month period because we had to -- we had a situation in which we really needed to make sure that we were gathering all the intelligence that we could get. But we said that we would revisit this in the fall.

          The President has said one of the things he has to have is permanency. You want the intelligence community to know that they're going to have these tools and the flexibility they need to protect the country. This bill that the Democrats have put forward only gives you a one-year extension; actually, I think it goes through December 2009. That is not permanent. And this is a debate that the President thinks we should settle here and now.

          And in another case, it does seem to take one step forward and two steps back, injecting the court into the application process even further than they already are, which the individuals that are looking at this legislation say is very burdensome and is actually getting us back -- putting us back into the box that we were in, making the process so slow that you're not able to deal with the urgency of the threats.

          There is also another piece of it, which the bill does not take into account, which is the President has asked for legal protections for those companies who are believed to have helped the nation after September 11th, and he wants retroactive liability protection from civil lawsuits for those companies. So those are just three of the areas that the President would like to see changed in this bill.

          Q But if I could follow, critics would argue that the privacy of some American, perhaps, was compromised in the days after 9/11 and, therefore, this -- we want to be careful about how far we extend this sort of protection.

          MS. PERINO: The President has taken very seriously the issues of how do you protect the country, as well as preserve the civil liberties of Americans. And that's -- it's not just the President that's taken it very seriously, but everyone in the administration, including the intelligence community, as well as Congress. We all want to preserve the civil liberties that we have inherent -- the inherent right we have in our Constitution for it. This is the deal that the government has with the American people.

          And the civil liberties are protected. They were protected prior to the Protect America Act; they're protected in the Protect America Act; and going forward, I'm positive that when the President signs the bill that civil liberties will be preserved, as well.

          Q Why do you say that?

          MS. PERINO: Toby.

          Q Back on Turkey.

          MS. PERINO: Okay.

          Q Turkey's Prime Minister today confirmed that his government is drawing up plans to authorize a military incursion into northern Iraq to go after the Kurdish rebels. Would the United States support that type of operation?

          MS. PERINO: We have said that we want to work with the Turkish government and the Iraqis, the Iraqi government, to eradicate the terrorist problem there in northern Iraq. We do not think that it would be the best place for troops to go into Iraq from Turkey at this time. We think that we can handle this situation without that being necessary.

          Q Dana, the President gave a little thumbs up about the First Lady's op/ed in The Wall Street Journal today. What's the White House view -- talk a little bit about the President feeling that she's an asset on this issue, in terms of speaking out, not holding back, and being very forceful in saying that the regime must step aside.

          MS. PERINO: I think that Mrs. Bush -- well, first of all, she has been interested in this issue on Burma for a long time, and she explains today in the USA Today interview that when she first became First Lady, she anticipated that she would mostly be dealing with domestic issues, like education and helping children make sure that they are reading at grade level.

          But this is an administration that has faced the threat after 9/11 and additional foreign policy matters that has really grabbed on to her heart. And on Burma, Mrs. Bush has, one, last year at the United Nations, hosted a meeting in which she tried to shine a light on this issue, to pay attention to this issue, to let the Burmese people know that the American people really care about what they are going through. And she has taken a great interest in it.

          And in addition, she's done some other things, too, in other parts of the world. She's traveled to Africa and highlighted the President's emergency program for AIDS relief. She talked about education while we were down there and all the work that we're doing through our various programs in Africa. And then next week she travels to the Middle East, where she'll focus on breast cancer awareness, education again, and public diplomacy. Not to mention what she's done in Afghanistan, for women there. So the President, of course, sees Mrs. Bush as a tremendous asset and a very good spokesperson on some of these issues.

          Q But if it's okay for her to obviously speak out, call it the way she sees it, why is it not okay for the U.S. House, in terms of Armenia, to say, this is the way we see it; we see it as genocide? Why can't they go on record and say it if the majority --

          MS. PERINO: I don't know if I could -- well, I don't know of a phrase that would make anything more different between apples and oranges, but I think that is completely different. The President and Mrs. Bush are together talking about what we need to do in order to make sure that Burma gets to return to a peaceful transition to democracy. And there are several things that we'd like to see Burma do: They need to release all the political prisoners, stop killing monks, stop taking people out of their homes in the middle of the night, release Aung San Suu Kyi. And if they can meet some of those actions we wouldn't have to go through the U.N. Security Council or through our own unilateral means of looking at additional sanctions. And the President and Mrs. Bush are united on this issue. And I think that's just totally different than talking about the U.S. House of Representatives.

          Q You're talking about killing of monks -- I mean, this is killing of hundreds of thousands of people, and the House wants to go on record.

          MS. PERINO: But the President has been on record. He's been on record every single year through a presidential message. I encourage you to read it. It's quite long; I won't bore -- I won't read it all for you here. But the President understands that the Armenian people feel very strongly about it. And if you read his statement, he does, too. He just does not -- he opposes a resolution in the House of Representatives on it.

          Q Back on Turkey and the PKK. The State Department concedes the recent cross-border attacks by the PKK. Members of the Turkish parliament say what they want to do is simply apply the President's policies in fighting terrorism. Mr. Bush, of course, has said that he is fighting the terrorists in Iraq so that we don't fight them here. They say likewise, they want to fight the PKK in Iraq, so they don't have to fight them in Turkey. So why are they wrong?

          MS. PERINO: Well, I'm -- well, what we are saying is that we think that we can help them, along with the Iraqis who are committed to eradicating terrorism, as well. And that includes the PKK, not just al Qaeda.

          Goyal.

          Q One on Burma. Dana, over 20 former heads of states, Prime Ministers and Presidents, they have written a letter to the Chinese President asking him to put pressure on the Burmese government dictatorship and generals. And it was led by the former Prime Minister of Norway. Is President joining them on these global leaders to put pressure, bring democracy back into Burma?

          MS. PERINO: I haven't heard about that specific effort, but I'll check. Obviously we're working closely with the U.N. Security Council and other countries around the world who have stood up.

          Q And second, quick one. There are demonstrations in Tehran, in Iran for democracy, and there were a lot of arrests, and students were protesting against the present government and President. Where do we stand as far as the freedom of democracy in Iran is concerned?

          MS. PERINO: Obviously, the people of Iran deserve better than the regime that they have, and we stand with those who are standing for freedom and their right to a free speech and assembly.

          Les.

          Q Yes, thank you, Dana. Two questions. Former Mexican President Vicente Fox confirmed the existence of a plan, which he said was conceived with President Bush, to create a new regional currency in the Americas. And my question: Does the President believe that this Vicente Fox statement on Larry King Live was incorrect or correct?

          MS. PERINO: I know of no such discussion, but I will tell you that there is no plan underway to create such a currency.

          Q All right. In his meeting with Al-Arabiya reporter Nakouzi, the President said he believes all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian or other religion, prays to the same God. And my question: Does he know of any Muslims who agree with what Christians believe is the Son of God's statement, "No man cometh unto the Father but by me"?

          MS. PERINO: I'm not going to comment on that one. Obviously I'll let the President's comments on Al-Arabiya, on the transcript that we've released, for people to check that out themselves --

          Q But, I mean, it leaves a puzzlement here --

          MS. PERINO: -- and move on.

          Ann.

          Q It leaves a puzzlement, you want to move away from --

          MS. PERINO: I don't think there's a puzzlement.

          Q You don't?

          Q In February of 2000, candidate George Bush, according to the Armenia National Committee, said the following: "Armenians were," -- candidate Bush said, "Armenians were subjected to a genocidal campaign that defies comprehension." They say he has broken his promise to label the atrocities as genocide when he became President. What has changed since 2000?

          MS. PERINO: The President believes that the proper way to address this issue and express our feelings about it is through the presidential message and not through legislation, and that was what he was describing today.

          Q But he does consider it genocide, and called it that in 2000.

          MS. PERINO: I was -- I didn't read all of the President's messages over the past seven years, but I would refer you to those.

          Q Is it just the word "genocide" that he does not want applied to it now?

          MS. PERINO: What he wants is -- no, what he wants is for the presidential message to be the thing that stands for the American response to this, not legislation passed by the House of Representatives.

          Did you have one, Mark?

          Q Yes. Back to the FISA court and the role of the -- what's being marked up and Foreign Affairs specifies is FISA court. They're still going to look at procedure, they're not going through and issuing individual warrants. So what's so burdensome about the FISA court looking at the procedures that you apply --

          MS. PERINO: Well, what I can tell you is that experts in the field of intelligence, lawyers, have been looking at this legislation proposed by the Democrats. They've gone through it with a fine-tooth comb. They say it will not work. And the President is going to have one test for the Director of National Intelligence; he'll ask him, does this bill meet the criteria that you need in order to keep the country safe? And if it does not, then the President won't sign it. If it does, he will. And while the bill is in markup, the President will let them hash that out, and when it gets to the floor, hopefully those things will be taken care of.

          One of the things that we agreed to in the August bill was that the FISA court would be able to check off on the procedures. We think that that's the appropriate way to do it. We don't think we need to go back and change that.

          Q -- different time horizons, I gather --

          MS. PERINO: I think there's a lot more involved. It's much more strict and much more cumbersome in the legislation that the Democrats have put forward. That's their objection.

          Q Yesterday President Roh Moo-hyun of South Korea and President Bush had a telephone conversation. President Roh Moo-hyun had explanation about termination of Korean War. Do you think the -- (inaudible) -- of summit talks will be had within this year?

          MS. PERINO: We'll have to see. The President has said in Australia, at the APEC meeting with President Roh, that it will depend on North Korea's actions. And if we can get to the point where they have met their obligations under the six-party talks, then we'll talk about moving forward to a peace treaty.

          Helen.

          Q Does the President view the Lieberman-Kyl resolution as an invitation to attack Iran?

          MS. PERINO: I am not familiar with the Lieberman-Kyl resolution, so can I --

          Q That's the resolution condemning the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists.

          MS. PERINO: I'll have to look into it and get back to you. I don't know about it.

          Q Thank you.

          END 1:02 P.M. EDT
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • #6
            I like the persistence of the reporter on the Armenian issue!
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gavur View Post
              I like the persistence of the reporter on the Armenian issue!
              So do I. The White House spokesperson was totally baffled and tounge-tied.
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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              • #8
                From Harut Sassounian

                From Harout Sassounian:


                "Of course, a tough struggle over the resolution has started. The
                Turkish Government is constantly blackmailing the United States,
                making statements on severing relations, putting obstacles for US
                troops in Iraq, and so on. The blackmail is actually senseless, as
                each statement like that damages the image of Turkey itself. Turkish
                commentators have recently pointed out that the time of threats have
                passed, and the blackmail damages Turkey itself. Alternative ways of
                admitting past events need to be found. We are now witnessing the
                formation of a favorable atmosphere both in the US Congress and in
                Turkey. However, the Turkish side still does not find the courage to
                admit this Crime Against Humanity, and the most likely reason is a
                psychological barrier - it is difficult to admit the fact that their
                forefathers committed such a barbaric act against another people.

                Turkish leaders realize that the Genocide is a fact, and their
                statements on the necessity for "studying and discussing" the issue
                are a political game. They do not need either historians or studies,
                they know the truth. However, Turkish authorities fear that the
                admission of the Armenian Genocide will cause a negative reaction
                by their public and radical forces. But for this fear, the Genocide
                would have been admitted long ago."
                General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                • #9
                  Turkey has just recalled its Ambassador to the US. Isn't it time that our government officials - of supposedly the most powerful nation on earth - say enough is enough - and call theri bluff? As an American I am outraged over this petulant behavior and continued threats.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 1.5 million View Post
                    Turkey has just recalled its Ambassador to the US. Isn't it time that our government officials - of supposedly the most powerful nation on earth - say enough is enough - and call theri bluff? As an American I am outraged over this petulant behavior and continued threats.
                    Let the games begin!

                    I'm going to take a tally:

                    1. Turkish overreaction #1: Recall of their ambassador
                    2. Turkish overreaction #2: Invasion of Northern Iraq

                    ...to be continued
                    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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