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**Gavur** · 05-09-2009, 06:09 AM

Re: International Crisis Group Crosses the Line Again

It sounds like a ultimatum to me.

**hrai** · 05-09-2009, 09:03 PM

Re: International Crisis Group Crosses the Line Again

Originally posted by Gavur View Post

It sounds like a ultimatum to me.

Yup, it sounds like the kinda crap hitler shouted at the czechs, poles etc. before he moved his tanks in.

**hipeter924** · 05-09-2009, 09:09 PM

Re: International Crisis Group Crosses the Line Again

I don't give a damn about the site...its pro Turkish. I clicked on Turkey and it doesn't criticise it.

Page not found | Crisis Group

http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=5013&l=1

It redirects you to Cyprus...try it yourself

**Hellektor** · 05-10-2009, 05:13 AM

Re: International Crisis Group Crosses the Line Again

Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post

I don't give a damn about the site...its pro Turkish. I clicked on Turkey and it doesn't criticise it.

It's not about the site, hye Petros, it's about these puke tanks like this �International� Cryjew Group, that artificially and cunningly amplify the nonexistent IMPORTANCE of the most worthless garbage ever to have been defecated by the rectum of the universe, Turkey to the detriment of Armenia. These puke tanks give �prestige� and pseudo-valuable leverage to our enemy to shove this type of �analyses� in our faces to back their genocidal lies and demands. We have to give a damn. We have to wake up and smell the crap and find ways to counter these subversive organizations and shut their filthy muzzles. I do what I can in my possibilities; this is why I write about these SOBs on these forums.

Read this Harut article where he says, �Several pro-establishment Washington think tanks, such as the Center for Strategic & International Studies, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Brookings Institution, Heritage Foundation, Council on Foreign Relations, and American Enterprise Institute, have recently published special reports that seek to influence U.S. policy-makers in favor of Turkey.�

I copy paste from my recent post on the other board:

The whole Turk-Armenian �relation� charade is nothing but the latest Judeo-Turkic treachery to force Armenia to cede the liberated territories to the sore genocidal �Azeri� losers. Read the ICG report to convince yourself they are offering us this sour/bitter vomit candy to get what they want.

Despite all the reassurance from the lousy Edward and the lousier Serj that there are no preconditions, the signing of the �road map� which I believe is a blank paper with nothing on it, and that, announced within the shortest news breaking time before April 24, was staged by the Obama administration itself to close the chapter of Armenian Genocide recognition by parliaments of other countries. The AG recognition campaign died a certain death on April 23 2009 and they knew it long beforehand.

Here's one proof: from the filthy garbage report excreted by the �International� Cryjew Group released on 14th of April 2009, 8 days before the �road map� masquerade: �Although Obama repeatedly promised on the campaign trail to formally recognise the 1915 forced relocation and massacres of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire as genocide, he should continue to steer the prudent middle course he has adopted as president. The U.S. Congress, which has a draft resolution before it, should do the same�, so reassure yourself who's controlling the US policy making.

Turks and Jews are not after Turk-Armenian relations or opening of borders, they�re after the historic Armenian liberated territories around the artificially �Azeri� drawn borders of the former NKAO. If these five districts are ceded, this will be the end of Armenia. I only hope the Armenian nation will stand up and prevent this from happening. They should go as far as a military coup if necessary. There, I said it.

**Anoush** · 05-10-2009, 06:13 PM

Re: International Crisis Group Crosses the Line Again

Originally posted by Hellektor View Post

It's not about the site, hye Petros, it's about these puke tanks like this “International” Cryjew Group, that artificially and cunningly amplify the nonexistent IMPORTANCE of the most worthless garbage ever to have been defecated by the rectum of the universe, Turkey to the detriment of Armenia. These puke tanks give “prestige” and pseudo-valuable leverage to our enemy to shove this type of “analyses” in our faces to back their genocidal lies and demands. We have to give a damn. We have to wake up and smell the crap and find ways to counter these subversive organizations and shut their filthy muzzles. I do what I can in my possibilities; this is why I write about these SOBs on these forums.

Read this Harut article where he says, “Several pro-establishment Washington think tanks, such as the Center for Strategic & International Studies, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Brookings Institution, Heritage Foundation, Council on Foreign Relations, and American Enterprise Institute, have recently published special reports that seek to influence U.S. policy-makers in favor of Turkey.”

I copy paste from my recent post on the other board:

The whole Turk-Armenian “relation” charade is nothing but the latest Judeo-Turkic treachery to force Armenia to cede the liberated territories to the sore genocidal “Azeri” losers. Read the ICG report to convince yourself they are offering us this sour/bitter vomit candy to get what they want.

Despite all the reassurance from the lousy Edward and the lousier Serj that there are no preconditions, the signing of the “road map” which I believe is a blank paper with nothing on it, and that, announced within the shortest news breaking time before April 24, was staged by the Obama administration itself to close the chapter of Armenian Genocide recognition by parliaments of other countries. The AG recognition campaign died a certain death on April 23 2009 and they knew it long beforehand.

Here's one proof: from the filthy garbage report excreted by the “International” Cryjew Group released on 14th of April 2009, 8 days before the “road map” masquerade: “Although Obama repeatedly promised on the campaign trail to formally recognise the 1915 forced relocation and massacres of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire as genocide, he should continue to steer the prudent middle course he has adopted as president. The U.S. Congress, which has a draft resolution before it, should do the same”, so reassure yourself who's controlling the US policy making.

Turks and Jews are not after Turk-Armenian relations or opening of borders, they’re after the historic Armenian liberated territories around the artificially “Azeri” drawn borders of the former NKAO. If these five districts are ceded, this will be the end of Armenia. I only hope the Armenian nation will stand up and prevent this from happening. They should go as far as a military coup if necessary. There, I said it.

I see, so it's those zionist j'ews again on our back time and time again alongside their turkish worthless wh'ores! Trying to help now those azeri garbage wh'ores.

I said the same thing before Hell jan. A coup d'etat is essential if those losers Edward and Serzh as he calls himself is lying to us that there is no preconditions with that bloody "road map".

If indeed Serzh is lying then both the Armenian nation along with the Diaspora should rise and charge on the government if that happens! And there I said it too!!!!!

**Anoush** · 05-10-2009, 06:42 PM

Re: International Crisis Group Crosses the Line Again

Hellektor jan;

I read that bloody report on "opening up minds and the boarder" and it's all mega downhill for our Armenia and the Artsaxian lands. They want Serzh to sign the freaking bloody Kars illegal Treaty and with it denounce the Genocide, denouce our right of way to our Western Armenian lands, and finally they want totally to cede from Artsaxian lands and let the azeri freaking baboons to kill every and each Armenia in Nagorno Karabagh. Because that's what the baboons will do, they will kill all the Armenians in there as they did it to thousands of civilian Armenians.

And after that we can kiss goodby to Armenia and Artsax. This is a mega conspiracy from the crypto-american-j'ews as you know it.

Armenia and Diaspora should rise indeed, they must. We waited 600 years to have freedom and now this?????

**Anoush** · 05-10-2009, 09:27 PM

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This outrageous report must not be adhered to by Armenia's government for opening the border between turkey and Armenia or else Armenia and the Diaspora will undoubtedly rise!!!!!!!

Think Tank's Report on Armenia: You Get What You Pay For

Several pro-establishment Washington think tanks, such as the Center for Strategic & International Studies, J'ewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Brookings Institution, Heritage Foundation, Council on Foreign Relations, and American Enterprise Institute, have recently published special reports that seek to influence U.S. policy-makers in favor of Turkey.

The latest such biased report, titled: "Turkey and Armenia: Opening Minds, Opening Borders," was issued on April 14, by the International Crisis Group. Serving on the ICG's Board of Trustees are: Morton Abramovitz, former U.S. Ambassador to Turkey; Richard Armitage, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State and member of the Honorary Council of Advisors of U.S.-Azerbaijan Chamber of Compmerce; Zbigniew Brzezinski, former U.S. National Security Advisor to the President and member of the Honorary Council of Advisors of U.S.-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce; Guler Sabanci, Chairperson of Sabanci Holding, Turkey; and Stephen Solarz, former U.S. Congressman and lobbyist for Turkey. Listed among the ICG's senior advisors are: Ersin Arioglu, a member of the Turkish Parliament, and Shimon Peres, the President of Israel. Not surprisingly, the Foreign Ministry of Turkey is a major donor to the ICG. Not a single Armenian serves on ICG's board or on any of its advisory bodies.

The group's 40-page report makes outrageous suggestions that are extremely detrimental to Armenia's interests. Here is what the ICG recommends that the Armenian government do:

� Establish bilateral commissions with Turkey, which would include a historical commission on the Armenian Genocide.

� Prepare the public opinion for reconciliation with Turkey.

� "Avoid statements or international actions relating to genocide recognition that could inflame Turkish public opinion against the current [reconciliation] process."

� "Start withdrawals from Armenian-occupied territories in Azerbaijan; and pursue peace with Azerbaijan in full consciousness that only in this way can normalizations with Turkey be consolidated.

� "Make clear that Armenia has no territorial claim on Turkey by explicitly recognizing its territorial integrity within the borders laid out in the 1921 Treaty of Kars."

� "Encourage universities and institutes to pursue more research on matters relating to the events of 1915, preferably with the engagements of Turkish and third-party scholars; modernize history books and remove all prejudice from them; and organize the cataloguing of known Armenian archives pertaining to the events in and around 1915 wherever they may be located."

The Executive Summary of the Report starts its first line by trying to perpetuate the false impression that "Turkey and Armenia are close to settling [their] dispute." Everyone, except the "experts" who drafted this report, knows full well that the negotiations between Armenia and Turkey have collapsed and that the problem between the two countries is not a "dispute," but committing Genocide!

The Executive Summary makes the surprising statement that the views of Armenians and Turks on the Genocide are "converging," supposedly "showing that the deep traumas can be healed." Continuing to present fantasy as reality, the undisclosed authors of the report state: "The advance in bilateral relations demonstrates that a desire for reconciliation can overcome old enmities and closed borders. Given the heritage and culture shared by Armenians and Turks [!], there is every reason to hope that normalization of relations between the two countries can be achieved and sustained."

One of the most outrageous comments made in the report is the one [B]claiming that "hardline" Diaspora representatives "have softened" their stance, dropping their "demands that Turkey surrender territory in its north east, where Armenians were a substantial minority before 1915."

The report welcomes Pres. Obama's "prudent middle course," despite the fact that he "repeatedly promised on the campaign trail to formally recognize" the Armenian Genocide. Leaving no stone unturned in favoring Turkey, the ICG also suggests that the U.S. House of Representatives abandon the pending resolution on the Armenian Genocide.

Finally, the ICG urges that the United States, Russia and the European Union "avoid legislation, statements and actions that might inflame public opinion on either side and so could upset the momentum towards Turkey-Armenia normalization and reconciliation."

This report is full of faulty analysis and one-sided judgements. The sinister role played by think tank such as the ICG should be exposed to the public at large and their reports discredited.

The document published by ICG reads more like the terms of capitulation imposed by a conquering army over a demolished nation than a professional report drafted by impartial wise men. Clearly, those who paid for it, dictated its content!

By Harut Sassounian
Publisher, The California Courier

**Hellektor** · 05-11-2009, 01:26 PM

Re: International Crisis Group Crosses the Line Again

I rapidly F3ed the garbage ICG puke report and see what kind of filth it contains. This is just one part , the most important subject in it, there's also a huge shitpile of shameless Armenian Genocide denial, the insignificant Khojaly incident scam where they brazenly announce Armenians massacred 600 �Azeri� �civilians�, while they totally denigrate and downgrade Sumgait, Baku, Gandzak, Maragha, Shahoomian, etc. pogroms. A Turk could not have prepared this report with more anti-Armenian/pro-Turk prejudice than these filthy, lying, genocidal Jew hollow hoaxers.

See for yourselves. From the �International� Cryjew Group puke tank:

Note that the title of this report is TURKEY AND ARMENIA: OPENING MINDS, OPENING BORDERS:

1. �Armenian occupation of Azerbaijani land�;
2. �the absence of Armenian troop withdrawals from substantial areas they occupy of Turkey�s ally, Azerbaijan�;
3. �Ethnic Armenian forces� rapid advance into Azerbaijan in 1993�;
4. ��withdrawal of Armenian troops from occupied territories in Azerbaijan�;
5. �Agree together with Azerbaijan to the OSCE Minsk Group basic principles on a Nagorno-Karabakh settlement; then start withdrawals from Armenian-occupied territories in Azerbaijan�;
6. �The war resulted in the occupation of most of Nagorno-Karabakh and considerable adjacent Azerbaijani territory by ethnic Armenian forces�;
7. �Armenia�s efforts to pursue international recognition of the 1915 events as genocide32 and its refusal to withdraw from occupied Azerbaijani territory�;
8. �Armenia captured the Kelbajar district of Azerbaijan�;
9. �Turkey�s major stated pre-condition for opening the border and diplomatic ties with Armenia was withdrawal by ethnic Armenian forces from occupied Azerbaijani territories�;
10. �In the case of Nagorno-Karabakh, this would include troop withdrawals�;
11. �Armenian withdrawal from occupied Azerbaijani territories before it agrees to reopen the mutual border�;
12. �Yerevan realise progress in bilateral relations will be sustainable only if it withdraws in due course from occupied Azerbaijani territory after a border opening with Turkey�;
13. �They have to do something. Maybe pull back from one square kilometre, a few villages, then announce a timetable. Even if they are lying�;
14. �deployment of international peacekeepers and carry out withdrawal of Armenian forces from Azerbaijani occupied territories�;
15. �Armenia�s withdrawal from occupied Azerbaijani territories has long been Turkey�s major stated precondition for opening the border�;
16. �Azerbaijan disputes the idea that normalisation before Armenia withdraws from its occupied territory would be helpful�;
17. �The strategy and wish of Armenian policy makers is to drive a wedge between the two brotherly states�;
18. �If the border opens before Armenian forces have withdrawn from occupied Azerbaijani territory, this will be against Azerbaijan�s national interest�;
19. �Azerbaijani governmental and opposition parties declared in a rare joint statement that the opening of the Turkish-Armenian border as long as Azerbaijani territories remain occupied �is nothing more than justification to Armenia�s aggressive policies��;
20. �As long as this problem [Armenian occupation of Azerbaijani land] is not resolved, it is not possible for us to adopt a healthy decision�;
21. ��if Turkey compromises by delinking the opening of the border from Nagorno-Karabakh withdrawals, any further normalisation will be unsustainable if there is no progress in its disputes with Azerbaijan�;
22. �Armenian forces occupy at least one eighth of Azerbaijan� (What happened to the 20% lie? A �positive point� in the whole pile of reeking rubbish. Here they have realized they cannot sustain the lie, that's why we have to go all the way to force them to back down from the rest of their history distortion. H.);

Twenty two times (after a rapid search) and all this in a report about 30 PDF pages long (minus indexes)! This only shows how desperate these Judeofag-Turcofag-Anglofag-Eurofag bastards are and how powerful and important Armenia actually is. This is a sign of their bottomless despair. They were miserably defeated on the battlefield and they resort to such cunning to steal our sacred eternal homeland. More reason for us not to cede a single square nanometer no matter what.

I copy/paste the following for the millionth time, yet it doesn�t seem to worry anyone here.

In the present situation, though not as wide as it should be to be the last nail in the coffin of pan-Turkism, the Armenian wedge is wide enough to guarantee a certain degree of security against the unquenchable thirst of the wolves in human shape, for Armenian blood:

This is what they want. As soon as they get the historically Armenian territories around the artificially drawn genocidal borders of NKAO, the wedge will be as vulnerable as in Soviet times. Emboldened by the usurpation of land even when they lost the war they started, the brazen Turk will start demanding Meghri to have direct access to stolen Nakhijevan and Armenia will drown in a Turk quagmire:

They do not need to commit massacres to drive Armenians out of the girl�s profile. They constantly howl about a �million� �Azeri� �refugees� and once they took the liberated land, they�ll use their weapons of mass population, unleash a million ferocious �Azeris� on us, settling them in those areas which will stifle Artsakh and Armenia.

**Federate** · 05-11-2009, 02:01 PM

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Wholeheartedly agree Hellektor. Not an inch of Artsakh must be given up. On the contrary, parts of Artsakh are still under "azeri" occupation such as Shahumian, eastern Martuni and Mardakert and the often-forgotten Northern Artsakh which reaches all the way to historic Utik.

Our successive governments have FAILED to establish a proper resettlement strategy and to provide the living conditions for Armenians to populate their own territories. Kashatagh and Nor Shahumyan remain virtually deserted and its rich resources untapped. This is frightening because it implies that we do not intend to keep these lands

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P.S. I invite you to post sometimes in Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan and Armenia and the information war.

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