Vive La France !!!!!

[lampron]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

-------------- but the turcs know how to help each other and fight together ----------
So you are saying if thieves & murderers know how to help each other & fight together, then their thievery & murder are justified???
Again, your statement has no merit.
------- NONE -------
Artashes

over centuries Ottomans could be bad, sometimes very bad, probably not so bad if you lived in Istanbul or Izmir or Trabzon...but the reality is that they held together a huge empire, and you cannot do that just by cruelty

Enough about Ottomans!

What about Armenians who don't care for each other even in the middle of a catastrophe?

We discussed above about the massacre of 5,000 Armenians in 1895 triggered by a meaningless bank takeover. One political party has celebrated this episode as a victory ever since

and rival political parties mention it when convenient but in reality they don't care about the victims either!

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

The problem didn't start 99 years ago but 500 years before that

The assaults on Armenians could be stopped from the beginning by Armenians themselves, not by waiting for help from outside

Yes the Turks stole, (but so did Americans from native Indians, Australians from Aborigines), but the Turks also know to help each other and fight together...

If you don't struggle and instead look for the easy way, the result will not be good

Yes,the post of mine you quoted clearly states our troubles started well before 99 years ago.
The constant attacks by Persia & Rome simultaneously that preceded the turc invasions is why we lost, not because we looked for help from without.

----- yes the turcs stole, but so did ... ---------
Common turc propaganda & subtrafuge.
Thievery by others is not a justification to be a thief.
That argument has no merit.
---------- NONE ---------
Artashes

-------------- but the turcs know how to help each other and fight together ----------
So you are saying if thieves & murderers know how to help each other & fight together, then their thievery & murder are justified???
Again, your statement has no merit.
------- NONE -------
Artashes

[Eddo211]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

[QUOTE=lampron;349030]The problem didn't start 99 years ago but 500 years before that

The assaults on Armenians could be stopped from the beginning by Armenians themselves, not by waiting for help from outside

Too few in numbers facing hord after hord of slant eyed Toorks....and then we had to deal with the Janissary, stolen christian babies trained to kill their own kind.

Yes the Turks stole, (but so did Americans from native Indians, Australians from Aborigines), but the Turks also know to help each other and fight together...

Not comparable.....and Turks always do this.
First of all Armenia was a civilization not a nation of tribes. They had large cities and an Army that conquered to Jerusalem. They were old culture and lived on the crossroeads of civilizations and not isolated by continent. Also US and Australia gov have recognized what had happened.

If you don't struggle and instead look for the easy way, the result will not be good

There has never been an easy way for Armenians...

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

The problem didn't start 99 years ago but 500 years before that

The assaults on Armenians could be stopped from the beginning by Armenians themselves, not by waiting for help from outside

Yes the Turks stole, (but so did Americans from native Indians, Australians from Aborigines), but the Turks also know to help each other and fight together...

If you don't struggle and instead look for the easy way, the result will not be good

Yes,the post of mine you quoted clearly states our troubles started well before 99 years ago.
The constant attacks by Persia & Rome simultaneously that preceded the turc invasions is why we lost, not because we looked for help from without.

----- yes the turcs stole, but so did ... ---------
Common turc propaganda & subtrafuge.
Thievery by others is not a justification to be a thief.
That argument has no merit.
---------- NONE ---------
Artashes

[lampron]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

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Armenians are destitute because of the continual assault upon them. That is how you turn the most successful and prosperous people into poor people..
All (ALL) our wealth was stolen by the turc a short 95+ years ago & then we had the Russians . And before we had Hamidan and Adana. And before continuous assaults..
The vast majority of Armenians going to western Armenia & beyond are destitute.

The problem didn't start 99 years ago but 500 years before that

The assaults on Armenians could be stopped from the beginning by Armenians themselves, not by waiting for help from outside

Yes the Turks stole, (but so did Americans from native Indians, Australians from Aborigines), but the Turks also know to help each other and fight together...

If you don't struggle and instead look for the easy way, the result will not be good

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

The new generations of Turks just can't accept the truth Artashes because it is not possible for humans to do such things so they try very hard to somehow justify their parents actions for their own sanity....this is normal and I see it alot in moderate Turks.
btw, well posts Artashes.

My favorites are the real fascist Turks who want to drag your body next to Ataturk statue and are sorry that they couldn't get the job done.....we understand each other very well and I know how to make them out to be fools in front of their own supporters

Yes, I do believe your evaluation is correct, actually spot on.
The turc of today is living in a fantasy that doesn't reflect reality at all.
Neither does it reflect their history at all.
During the genocide the turc stole everything the indigenous people had.that is what their modern country was founded on.
Thieft & murder.
And they are proud of themselves .
Artashes

[Eddo211]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

The new generations of Turks just can't accept the truth Artashes because it is not possible for humans to do such things so they try very hard to somehow justify their parents actions for their own sanity....this is normal and I see it alot in moderate Turks.
btw, well posts Artashes.

My favorites are the real fascist Turks who want to drag your body next to Ataturk statue and are sorry that they couldn't get the job done.....we understand each other very well and I know how to make them out to be fools in front of their own supporters

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

There are thousands of Armenians from Armenia working in Turkey

If all Turks were bad, they would not have stayed

We know that Ottomans in high positions in the government organized the barbaric attack in Istanbul after the "Bank Ottoman" incident

What about those Armenians who saw something positive in this terrible tragedy?

That tells us that Armenians have their own psychos

----- if all turcs were bad, they would not have stayed ---------
You leading a sheltered life? Or is it you like the vast majority of turcs refuse to recognize the truth? Or is it in your national zeal you are blinded to the truth?
Armenians are destitute because of the continual assault upon them. That is how you turn the most successful and prosperous people into poor people..
All (ALL) our wealth was stolen by the turc a short 95+ years ago & then we had the Russians . And before we had Hamidan and Adana. And before continuous assaults..
The vast majority of Armenians going to western Armenia & beyond are destitute.
They do not freely speak the truth & know the consequences if they did.
Read Hayayrun's comments about living amongst the turcs.
Now that he lives in Germany, he can speak freely.
Do you think you could randomly walk amongst turcs and tell them honestly what happened to the Armenians (and other peoples) and not be threatened???
They work there because their family was robbed and murdered and is now poor, NOT because turcs are ok.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

You are a moron - but most racists are. A statement of fact.

Artashes, steaming with rage in his Alaska wilderness and with not a Turk in sight to hate close-up. How lucky there is the internet around to release his puny anger. He'd probably explode without it.

need to start over

[lampron]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Turks drew the last straw on us, we stayed loyal despite our own groups of opposition to it but they were killing more than 5000 a month anyway destroying our villages and giving them to Kurds.
ordinary Turks could have been good neighbors but transformed from one order of collective into butchers of innocent and defenseless like women and children and elderly.
those boys at the bank did what had to be done as statement with options available at the time....

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There are thousands of Armenians from Armenia working in Turkey

If all Turks were bad, they would not have stayed

We know that Ottomans in high positions in the government organized the barbaric attack in Istanbul after the "Bank Ottoman" incident

What about those Armenians who saw something positive in this terrible tragedy?

That tells us that Armenians have their own psychos