Vive La France !!!!!

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Although I agree the ( J G) precedent should mean the ( A G) should pass the politics are dramatically different. Here any was not threatening or in a position to threaten to withhold vital economic contact and neither was it in a position to deny and neither was it in the financial position then that the fraudulent opponent we are facing is in. Im worried the Fench court will respond to the political rather than the judicial. Very worried. /Atashes

Siggie ,thank you for the help and offer. I'm already experiencing the benefit of your help. My twin sister has just bought me a 3G I pad and it should be here from LA soon. That will also be a big advance from the I phone I'm typing on now. Artashes

[Mher]

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Okay, politics tend to make me want to jump off the highest cliff I can find, so forgive my ignorance on the subject, but which Western power has helped to legitimize Turkey's lies?

Note: the reason I loathe politics is because it's often about what's best for ME and not what's the right thing to do.

You can start with the two leaders of the west: England and the US. Both of which refuse to recognize the genocide, and just repeat Turkey's propaganda of "we should not let this affect future relations, we should look to the future, not the past, it is a matter of historical debate"

http://asbarez.com/100552/clinton-calls-genocide-recognition-a-%E2%80%98dangerous-door%E2%80%99/

[Eddo211]

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We don't need to pass laws to make it illegal for people to proclaim that sun and other planets revolve around the Earth, after all right? Wouldn't it be more powerful to say that this fact is so beyond debate that it has approached this level of fact, i.e. irrefutable?

Only if we look at the world through rose colored glasses.

[Siggie]

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It would be more powerful if we were in that place, unfortunately because of the West's political weakness where turcey is involved and the vast amount of turc propaganda, we're not.

So until that blessed day dawns, continue on our track.

Okay, politics tend to make me want to jump off the highest cliff I can find, so forgive my ignorance on the subject, but which Western power has helped to legitimize Turkey's lies?

Note: the reason I loathe politics is because it's often about what's best for ME and not what's the right thing to do.

[bell-the-cat]

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[I]....unfortunately because of the West's political weakness where turcey is involved and the vast amount of turc propaganda, we're not.

There we go... the start of the inevitable "we are not satisfied". "Those cowardly J3w-loving French, if they had any guts they would have made it a capital offense to deny the Armenian Genocide, but they won't do that because the whole world is against Armenia".

[hrai]

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Isn't it engaging in discussion of the genocide still to pass this law? That's making a statement about it too. It is saying, okay Turkey, we'll see your relentless tantrums about your fabricated version of reality and raise you a censorship law.

We don't need to pass laws to make it illegal for people to proclaim that sun and other planets revolve around the Earth, after all right? Wouldn't it be more powerful to say that this fact is so beyond debate that it has approached this level of fact, i.e. irrefutable?

It would be more powerful if we were in that place, unfortunately because of the West's political weakness where turcey is involved and the vast amount of turc propaganda, we're not.

So until that blessed day dawns, continue on our track.

[Siggie]

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No Siggie ,it wasn't . Unfortunately I am computer illiterate and have not figured out yet how to make that one box that has the persons comments in it that I'm responding to and then my response below. A member ,karo t g made an I'll worded poorly thought out statement and opinion in this (viva la) discussion ./ Artashes

If you want to quote someone's post, simply click on "Reply with quote" directly underneath their post. That will open up the quote into the reply box.

If you want to quote multiple posts, click on the quote icon to the right of that one. The one with just the "+ and that one will add that quote. You can select multiple posts by clicking that button, then for the very last one, hit "reply with quote" and it will put that one and all the prior ones in the reply box for you.

Let me know if you need more instruction.

[Artashes]

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No Siggie ,it wasn't . Unfortunately I am computer illiterate and have not figured out yet how to make that one box that has the persons comments in it that I'm responding to and then my response below. A member ,karo t g made an I'll worded poorly thought out statement and opinion in this (viva la) discussion ./ Artashes

[Siggie]

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In response to I don't think anyone today can understand the gravity etc) that's an opinion and it your opinion. Disagree. Maybe you lack the ability to understand the gravity of an historical event but I don't. Please try telling someone who you respect and admire for their intellect that you don't think they can understand the gravity of the (AG)because they weren't there before you post me again on that. Your statement ( as opposed to your previose opinion that anyone who thinks they can is delusional is an insult and wrong : so for the insult to me here is an insult to you . Your statement and your opinion are shallow./ Artashes

If this was directed at me, I have absolutely zero idea what you're going on about. You've lost me too in your confusion.

[Siggie]

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To engage in Genocide discussion is to engage in Turkish propaganda.....this is another reason why this bill should pass, regardless of French governments true intentions, in this case I don't think it matters because its a win either way even if Sarkozy shoots it down.

This.

Isn't it engaging in discussion of the genocide still to pass this law? That's making a statement about it too. It is saying, okay Turkey, we'll see your relentless tantrums about your fabricated version of reality and raise you a censorship law.

We don't need to pass laws to make it illegal for people to proclaim that sun and other planets revolve around the Earth, after all right? Wouldn't it be more powerful to say that this fact is so beyond debate that it has approached this level of fact, i.e. irrefutable?