The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

[Artashes]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

Arty that Vrej character has no substance at all. Just look at his posts and you will see that there is not a single one which talks positively about Armenia or Armenians. Everything he says is negative especially regarding Russia. People like this are here for only one purpose and that is to propagate propaganda. You will find problems in his posts but never solutions. You will find Lragir in his posts and nothing of thought from him nor anyone else. He only starts posts and fills them with Lragir garbage and never participates in any other parts of the forum. These are all clear indications of a propagandist saboteur. It is the 100th anniversary of the genocide and a guy with a name Vrej(meaning revenge) 1915 (referring to the genocide) can think of nothing but Russia? He is a excellent example of a cheap propagandist.

Hakakan , I like you and read your post with much interest. I also like Vrej and read his posts that I can understand (English ones) with much interest. Although my family decided not to teach the 2nd generation children (me) Armenian so we might blend in better (and I understand) , I am glad Vrej posts much in Armenian.
So I cannot comment on those posts I cannot read.
However , Vrej is the only one I recall posting of the water situation in Hayastan .
Vrej is the one who posts most often on the mining situation in Armenia.
Vrej is the one who posted of the desire of the nomads to our south to graze sheep in Hayastan .
The water, the mining, the grazing are things of PARAMOUNT importance to us.
Vrej, thanks for sounding the alarm and alerting us to these important issues.
I do not agree with Vrej on everything. I do not agree with you on everything & vice versa. Does not mean we can't have a civil discourse.
I'm no fan of Lragir but I agree with Vrej ... Address the content & point out our differences.

--- on complaining --- if anyone thinks the Hayr villagers don't have much to complain about, legitimately , well these list is just too long to enumerate here.
Anyway, thanks for telling me what the word vrej means and I look forward to your posts.

[Haykakan]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

Mher you disregard or are unaware of important facts. Countries like China and India where more advanced then the west in every way until the industrial revolution which began in England and allowed it to dominate everyone. China and India had not gone through the industrial revolution and they lost their sovereignty and became the victims of british imperialism. They tried many times to break away by revolt but the revolts failed until people like Gandi found a way to beat the imperialist and take back their country. Economic growth in countries like India and China did not exist while they were slaves to the britts. These countries declined economically because they had lost sovereignty and could not make decisions in their best interest. Economic growth started for these countries once they achieved independence and could make decisions for themselves (sovereignty). While economic reforms did help both countries grow their economies faster, it was being sovereign that was the biggest factor in allowing any kind of growth. This factor exists today in China, in India, in Russia, in Brazil (BRIC countries) but it obviously does not exist in the EU where time and again the EU was forced to play the xxxxx to USA. Even in USA you have a situation where special interest outspends public interest 100 to 1 and undermines that countries sovereignty along with its economic growth and potential. You should also know that it was not me who put Russia in the same grouping as the rest of the BRIC countries, it was put there because it had a growing economy which was in no small part due to the sovereignty which Putin helped Russia achieve. You see Russia does indeed belong in this group and I am not the only one saying that. Your comparison of Russia being to China what Mexico is to USA is just so ludicrous I am not sure it even warrants a response. While I admire and encourage the fact that you think for yourself I must point out that your facts seem limited to only current events and even there you have a tendency to ignore important facts in making your assessments and forming your views on important topics. Yes I am criticizing you but you should note this is constructive criticism which you should use to strengthen your knowledge and form better arguments.

[Mher]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

Ay datark parkapzuk LOL
Who said something about how much support preparliament morons have? The point bro is they are trying to ruin the 100th anniversary of the genocide and dingbats like you are not even batting an eyelash about it. Syrian opposition was also small once and the Syrian did not feel a threat and see what happened? Im hayastantsi studying in the degenerate country you call home. I lived in hayastan most of my life. When I don't have school I m always there. So how about you shut your trap about crap you know nothing about. What mom's basement? what fisher what tinhat are you blabbering about little clueless boy? Things in the world you cant understand are conspiracy theories? You americans crack me LOL
Oh and sorry for confusing you with an amerigatsi, I should have known you are a parsik LOL

ok apres, great insightful analysis as usual, now go back to reading your fantasy fan page blog

[Mher]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

I've read virtually everything the blogger of " rise of russia" has written. Factually the guy gets much correct and is quite knowledgeable. Indeed, scholarship of considerable worth.
(However), the subservient prostration to Russia the guy advocates I find completely wrong and it turns my stomach.
As Haykakan rightly points out, no Russia and we are left defenseless. Also if one looks, one can easily find many (great many) instances of Russian generosity and bravery toward Armenia to Armenia's great benefit.
(However), as Vrej rightly points out, one need not look long, or far to see the outrageous atrocities and stupidity Russia has exhibited toward Hayastan .
The dynamic between Russia and Armenia is complex and exhibits both the welcome and unwelcome and one cannot ignore either.
Having said all that, Russia is about the only friend we (Hay) has. For better or worse, that's how it is.
Despite the many accurate points the blogger Mher speaks of has made, I agree with Mher's assessment of said blogger. That guy went off the deep end quite some time ago. Mother Russia my ass. Dear Russia, I Sincerly appreciate what you have done for my people and indeed many things you do for us even unto this very day. Truly Sincerly , but please don't expect any bj's, except maybe from the blogger Mher refers to.

lol absolute perfect assessment of everything
I have nothing else to add

[Mher]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

By the way Mher the things I know and the way I think had nothing to do with Armenian and we both came to the same geopolitical conclusions on our own by simply observing and using our brains. The truth is real and that is why unrelated observers come to the same conclusion. It is not easy to see through the lies spewed out by the western media but you can find the truth if you really look for it.

my comments weren't directed towards you, but the handful of teens and twenty something sudden nationalists who have popped up on this forum from time to time, and proudly admitted how most of what they know about Armenia and the region has come from this magical prophet.

lol and lets not misuse the word balance. because there's a pile of sh!t on one side, putting more sh!t on the otherside doesn't equal a remedy to the situation. It just means more sh!t. I try to read as many sources as I can and make my own assessment. Being an engineer, I don't care much for someones else's anaylsis or opinion. I look at facts and data and draw my own conclusion. That blog is a pure work of fantasy and delusion. It is blatantly obvious that the writer of that blog just throws out random pieces of unrelated nonsense hoping something stick on some emotional level. He demonstrates not even a middle school level of understanding of economics or politics. Let's get one fact straight. Russia isn't rising anywhere. I assume by other powers you mean China. Russia shouldn't get credit for the massive economic leap made by China. China has put up 25 years of massive and continuous economic growth because of fundamental and difficult reforms it was willing to make in all many institutions. It's economy is driven by very savvy policies drawn up by technocrats and its faceless government. This has allowed it to get the country up from the ashes of a communist dictatorship dystopia. Yes China was oppressed in the late 19th century, but not just by the west, but to an equal amount by Russia and empirial Japan. And it had nothing to do with keeping a potential great power down. It was about kicking a rotting carcass and taking what you can.

Russia on the other hand, went through a difficult period in the 90's due to economic transition but also by poor policies enforced by the IMF and World Bank. However, that didn't change the fact that it had a collapsed economy rampant with corruption that produced little of value. Moreover, the reason it had a moderate growth in the past 15 years wasn't because of fundamental improvements in its economic structure, it wasn't because of a merit based system where its brightest began running its institutions, it wasn't because corruption and waste were eliminated. It was simply because oil's price increased by almost 10 times in a span of less than a decade. That was a temporary distraction to the fact that its still an economy run by an oligarchy that creates little of value beyond natural resources. Now that that has passed, those flaws are becoming apparent again. Even when things were looking up, and oil was at $110/barrel, it's not as if its economy was booming. In recent years the economy had been growing at 1-3% a year. Even before the current upcoming recession/depression, the all mighty Russian economy was only the 4th largest in Europe, comparable to that of California's. I think it's just absolutely fantasy to lump this up with China, and give Russia the credit China is do for its reforms and improvements. The only reason Russia is relevant today is its 50 year old nuclear arsenal and its raw resources, not any great rise in economic power. Where as its only natural to expect China to be part of a bipolar global political structure in the immediate future, Russia is looking more likely to be the Mexico to China's US. I think its total self deception to try to project that reality as US/EU v Russia/China

[Haykakan]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

Arty that Vrej character has no substance at all. Just look at his posts and you will see that there is not a single one which talks positively about Armenia or Armenians. Everything he says is negative especially regarding Russia. People like this are here for only one purpose and that is to propagate propaganda. You will find problems in his posts but never solutions. You will find Lragir in his posts and nothing of thought from him nor anyone else. He only starts posts and fills them with Lragir garbage and never participates in any other parts of the forum. These are all clear indications of a propagandist saboteur. It is the 100th anniversary of the genocide and a guy with a name Vrej(meaning revenge) 1915 (referring to the genocide) can think of nothing but Russia? He is a excellent example of a cheap propagandist.

[Serjik]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

Artavadz

There has never been any outrageous atrocities by Russians against Armenians what western spys like Vrej (the fake war veteran) like to do is hang crimes of bolsheviks on necks of Russians. Russians suffered the most during bolshevik times not only Armenians.

I've read virtually everything the blogger of " rise of russia" has written. Factually the guy gets much correct and is quite knowledgeable. Indeed, scholarship of considerable worth.
(However), the subservient prostration to Russia the guy advocates I find completely wrong and it turns my stomach.
As Haykakan rightly points out, no Russia and we are left defenseless. Also if one looks, one can easily find many (great many) instances of Russian generosity and bravery toward Armenia to Armenia's great benefit.
(However), as Vrej rightly points out, one need not look long, or far to see the outrageous atrocities and stupidity Russia has exhibited toward Hayastan .
The dynamic between Russia and Armenia is complex and exhibits both the welcome and unwelcome and one cannot ignore either.
Having said all that, Russia is about the only friend we (Hay) has. For better or worse, that's how it is.
Despite the many accurate points the blogger Mher speaks of has made, I agree with Mher's assessment of said blogger. That guy went off the deep end quite some time ago. Mother Russia my ass. Dear Russia, I Sincerly appreciate what you have done for my people and indeed many things you do for us even unto this very day. Truly Sincerly , but please don't expect any bj's, except maybe from the blogger Mher refers to.

[Serjik]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

Ay datark parkapzuk LOL

Who said something about how much support preparliament morons have? The point bro is they are trying to ruin the 100th anniversary of the genocide and dingbats like you are not even batting an eyelash about it. Syrian opposition was also small once and the Syrian did not feel a threat and see what happened? Im hayastantsi studying in the degenerate country you call home. I lived in hayastan most of my life. When I don't have school I m always there. So how about you shut your trap about crap you know nothing about. What mom's basement? what fisher what tinhat are you blabbering about little clueless boy? Things in the world you cant understand are conspiracy theories? You americans crack me LOL

Oh and sorry for confusing you with an amerigatsi, I should have known you are a parsik LOL

I don't know why I continue to bother to acknowledge your hetamnatsants and dillusional existence, but anyway

From his posts its very easy to realize the writer of that blog is some unstable bobby fisher type loony living in his moms basement ranting about things he knows nothing about. Its sadly obvious to me he has not been to armenia in recent years, and has no contacts in armenia, because otherwise he would know that nobody in Armenia takes preparliment seriously. Lol but of course mr angry living in moms basement wouldn't know that. They are more of a joke that the crazy person who got arrested on fifth of november throwing molotov xxxxtails (who had also posted a similar video before nov5). Any moron can put up a video on youtube (just like any moron can run a blog), it doesn't mean anyone but some other unusual social outcasts like them follow those views. Even more importantly, the preparliment group is far more prorussian than prowest. Not that it matters considering they are a complete joke and have no following whatsoever. but in the crazy tinhat conspiracy universe, facts shouldn't bother you i guess. So I'm sorry to tell you that everything you think you know about Armenia comes from a crazy person

Once again my delusional friend, I'm parskahye, born and raised in Majidiye,Tehran, where I've spent a majority of my life. you on the other hand probably grew up in the United States, and have enjoyed the full benefits of being a US citizen, and yet you call someone else an amerigahye (like its an insult). I've been to Armenia over and over again, and have relatives living there who served in Armenian army and deal with life there every day. Once again its obvious to me how out of touch you are with the daily realities of life in Armenia, otherwise you wouldn't say the crazy things you say-based on what you learned from mr armenian bobby fisher.

And once more you seem to have forgotten, as if to demonstrate your child like attention span, that I've made it clear to you my photo is Monte Melkonian
http://www.melkonian.org/gal/02.html

[Artashes]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

I don't know why I continue to bother to acknowledge your hetamnatsants and dillusional existence, but anyway

From his posts its very easy to realize the writer of that blog is some unstable bobby fisher type loony living in his moms basement ranting about things he knows nothing about. Its sadly obvious to me he has not been to armenia in recent years, and has no contacts in armenia, because otherwise he would know that nobody in Armenia takes preparliment seriously. Lol but of course mr angry living in moms basement wouldn't know that. They are more of a joke that the crazy person who got arrested on fifth of november throwing molotov xxxxtails (who had also posted a similar video before nov5). Any moron can put up a video on youtube (just like any moron can run a blog), it doesn't mean anyone but some other unusual social outcasts like them follow those views. Even more importantly, the preparliment group is far more prorussian than prowest. Not that it matters considering they are a complete joke and have no following whatsoever. but in the crazy tinhat conspiracy universe, facts shouldn't bother you i guess. So I'm sorry to tell you that everything you think you know about Armenia comes from a crazy person

Once again my delusional friend, I'm parskahye, born and raised in Majidiye,Tehran, where I've spent a majority of my life. you on the other hand probably grew up in the United States, and have enjoyed the full benefits of being a US citizen, and yet you call someone else an amerigahye (like its an insult). I've been to Armenia over and over again, and have relatives living there who served in Armenian army and deal with life there every day. Once again its obvious to me how out of touch you are with the daily realities of life in Armenia, otherwise you wouldn't say the crazy things you say-based on what you learned from mr armenian bobby fisher.

And once more you seem to have forgotten, as if to demonstrate your child like attention span, that I've made it clear to you my photo is Monte Melkonian
http://www.melkonian.org/gal/02.html

I've read virtually everything the blogger of " rise of russia" has written. Factually the guy gets much correct and is quite knowledgeable. Indeed, scholarship of considerable worth.
(However), the subservient prostration to Russia the guy advocates I find completely wrong and it turns my stomach.
As Haykakan rightly points out, no Russia and we are left defenseless. Also if one looks, one can easily find many (great many) instances of Russian generosity and bravery toward Armenia to Armenia's great benefit.
(However), as Vrej rightly points out, one need not look long, or far to see the outrageous atrocities and stupidity Russia has exhibited toward Hayastan .
The dynamic between Russia and Armenia is complex and exhibits both the welcome and unwelcome and one cannot ignore either.
Having said all that, Russia is about the only friend we (Hay) has. For better or worse, that's how it is.
Despite the many accurate points the blogger Mher speaks of has made, I agree with Mher's assessment of said blogger. That guy went off the deep end quite some time ago. Mother Russia my ass. Dear Russia, I Sincerly appreciate what you have done for my people and indeed many things you do for us even unto this very day. Truly Sincerly , but please don't expect any bj's, except maybe from the blogger Mher refers to.

[Haykakan]

Re: The 100th Anniversary - and Events to Mark it

Racism or free speech? Happens to be a judgement due right around 100th anniversary.

http://www.groong.org/news/msg526336.html

As for the blog in question between Mher and Serjik I would say there is a lot of truth in that blog. I may not agree with some things there but most of the important issues are covered rather well there. That blog is a great source of balance which is much needed with the dominance of western media splattering its distorted views all over the world. The problem is that many people have been brainwashed by western media to the point that any alternative to what is in the news is simply nonexistent or laughable. It is this type of ignorance that is the bane of humanity. Allowing yourself to be manipulated and being told what you are seeing and actually the manipulation of what you are seeing are ways others use you to their advantage. My interactions with Armenian (the writer of the blog) was brief because he was on his way out of this forum when I was just starting to get involved here. Our interaction was brief but the concerns and love we shared for Armenia were very much real. I very much share his geopolitical vision and assessments and I commend him for putting in the time and effort to make a fine blog. Our differences lie in the importance of religion and other social issues. Even the dashnaks by now understand that Russia is Armenia's only hope for any kind of a future yet we have lots of media trying very hard to pry us away from Russia. Again this forum has prime examples such as the Vrej1915 character who is a mouthpiece for Lragir, a publication whose sole intent is to drive a wedge between Russia and Armenia. Armenian is very much right about the rising bear along with rising other powers who were for centuries repressed and have now broken free. It is the rise of these powers and the horrid special interest based political system of USA that is the source of the global realignment being discussed in this blog. Instead of writing it off people like Mher need to read it and learn a balanced perspective based on truth instead of media hype and lies. By the way Mher the things I know and the way I think had nothing to do with Armenian and we both came to the same geopolitical conclusions on our own by simply observing and using our brains. The truth is real and that is why unrelated observers come to the same conclusion. It is not easy to see through the lies spewed out by the western media but you can find the truth if you really look for it.