Castrated Armenian carpets!

[Eddo211]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

The above is a perfect example of what I was talking about regarding Armenian organisations and their ability (or lack of ability) to ask proper questions. It is a completely counterproductive letter.

Firstly, it is a letter from a lobbying group (the ANCA). The White House will immediately ask "what business can a lobbying group have with the academic exhibition of an artistic object?" This immediately puts the whole request in a dubious light and makes the proposed exhibition of the carpet seem less than innocent.

The writer talks about "removing any obstacles", so he is admitting that there ARE obstacles! Since some obstacles are NOT removable, his own words will give the White House the wriggle-room it needs to make sure the carpet is not provided to the Smithsonian. I can think of no legitimate reasons why the carpet cannot be supplied, there are no legitimate "obstacles" - so why on earth is the writer giving credability to spurious reasons by talking about "obstacles"? He should just be asking for the reasons or concerns why the carpet cannot be supplied so that those reasons or concerns can be addressed.

Then things get far worse, a completely off-topic descent into "Armenian Genocide/Obama" stuff, put there for no other reason than to satisify what the writer thinks the community would like him to say. This now politicises something that should be a simple request and allows the White House all the wriggle-room it could wish for. And then even worse - he actually mentions law-suits and US courts!

What you describe is made up of your own assumptions which leads to your own conclusions only real in your own boxed mind.
You say jingle bells knows better than the ANCA team?

I say your litter box is full of cat piss.......and you lost your credibility in this forum a long time ago.

[Haykakan]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

I don't think it matters at all what they say. With special interest groups its either put up or gtfo. Since the ANCA does not have the power/money to get what it wants it blows a bunch of hot air because that is all it can do. If it has to say anything it simply means that it has already lost. Does it ever matter how the xxxish lobby asks for stuff?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

In a letter sent earlier today to President Obama's Chief of Staff,
Denis McDonough, ANCA Chairman Ken Hachikian reminded the White
House that "upon receiving the rug, President Coolidge wrote,
'The rug has a place of honor in the White House where it will be
a daily symbol of goodwill on earth.' I ask you, in this spirit, to
remove any obstacles to the Smithsonian's display of this historic
artwork and to secure a prominent and permanent public home for this
powerful symbol of America's humanitarian values and friendship with
the Armenian people," continued Hachikian.

Placing this latest controversy in context, Hachikian noted that:
"since taking office, President Obama has not only failed to recognize
the Armenian Genocide, but has actively blocked Congressional
legislation (H.Res.252, 111th Congress) to commemorate this atrocity
and, through his Solicitor General, officially opposed efforts in the
U.S. courts (Arzoumanian v. Munchener Ruckversicherungs-Gesellschaft
Aktiengesellschaft AG) to allow American citizens to pursue
Genocide-era property claims. In addition, the Administration has
regularly sent senior officials to speak at events organized by
Armenian Genocide deniers, while refusing repeated invitations to
simply attend Congressional observances of this atrocity. In these
areas, and, sadly, many more, the President has not simply failed
to honor his pledge, but rather - in both letter and spirit - worked
to fundamentally undermine and reverse the very policies he pledged
to pursue."

According to Dr. Hagop Deranian, the Armenian orphan rug measures
11'7" x 18'5" and is comprised of 4,404,206 individual knots. It
took the Armenian girls in the Ghazir Orphanage of the Near East
Relief Society 10 months to weave. A label on the back of the rug,
in large hand-written letters, reads "IN GOLDEN RULE GRATITUDE TO
PRESIDENT COOLIDGE."

Source: Panorama.am

The above is a perfect example of what I was talking about regarding Armenian organisations and their ability (or lack of ability) to ask proper questions. It is a completely counterproductive letter.

Firstly, it is a letter from a lobbying group (the ANCA). The White House will immediately ask "what business can a lobbying group have with the academic exhibition of an artistic object?" This immediately puts the whole request in a dubious light and makes the proposed exhibition of the carpet seem less than innocent.

The writer talks about "removing any obstacles", so he is admitting that there ARE obstacles! Since some obstacles are NOT removable, his own words will give the White House the wriggle-room it needs to make sure the carpet is not provided to the Smithsonian. I can think of no legitimate reasons why the carpet cannot be supplied, there are no legitimate "obstacles" - so why on earth is the writer giving credability to spurious reasons by talking about "obstacles"? He should just be asking for the reasons or concerns why the carpet cannot be supplied so that those reasons or concerns can be addressed.

Then things get far worse, a completely off-topic descent into "Armenian Genocide/Obama" stuff, put there for no other reason than to satisify what the writer thinks the community would like him to say. This now politicises something that should be a simple request and allows the White House all the wriggle-room it could wish for. And then even worse - he actually mentions law-suits and US courts!

[Haykakan]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

In a letter sent earlier today to President Obama's Chief of Staff,
Denis McDonough, ANCA Chairman Ken Hachikian reminded the White
House that "upon receiving the rug, President Coolidge wrote,
'The rug has a place of honor in the White House where it will be
a daily symbol of goodwill on earth.' I ask you, in this spirit, to
remove any obstacles to the Smithsonian's display of this historic
artwork and to secure a prominent and permanent public home for this
powerful symbol of America's humanitarian values and friendship with
the Armenian people," continued Hachikian.

Placing this latest controversy in context, Hachikian noted that:
"since taking office, President Obama has not only failed to recognize
the Armenian Genocide, but has actively blocked Congressional
legislation (H.Res.252, 111th Congress) to commemorate this atrocity
and, through his Solicitor General, officially opposed efforts in the
U.S. courts (Arzoumanian v. Munchener Ruckversicherungs-Gesellschaft
Aktiengesellschaft AG) to allow American citizens to pursue
Genocide-era property claims. In addition, the Administration has
regularly sent senior officials to speak at events organized by
Armenian Genocide deniers, while refusing repeated invitations to
simply attend Congressional observances of this atrocity. In these
areas, and, sadly, many more, the President has not simply failed
to honor his pledge, but rather - in both letter and spirit - worked
to fundamentally undermine and reverse the very policies he pledged
to pursue."

According to Dr. Hagop Deranian, the Armenian orphan rug measures
11'7" x 18'5" and is comprised of 4,404,206 individual knots. It
took the Armenian girls in the Ghazir Orphanage of the Near East
Relief Society 10 months to weave. A label on the back of the rug,
in large hand-written letters, reads "IN GOLDEN RULE GRATITUDE TO
PRESIDENT COOLIDGE."

Source: Panorama.am

[Haykakan]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

Sad story-just like our peoples story...pretty soonthey will be saying what carpet?

[Siggie]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

Thanks for that Siggie.

But are those involved incapable of composing a wriggle-proof question that will force a direct answer from the White House about why the carpet is not available?

It's my experience that Armenian organisations tend to never ask the most pertinent questions, never word the questions they do ask in the best way, pose questions that they think will put them in good standing within their community rather than ask questions that directly concern the recipient of the questions, and are often too deferential to those in power.

You bet.
I found the uncertainty puzzling too, but maybe it's just cautious reporting? A bunch of appears, seems, etc. type language, but headlines from ANCA asserted it more factually. I assume they probably wouldn't receive an answer to the direct question even if it was asked. Wouldn't they just answer that with some more acceptable reason?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entert...40e_story.html

Thanks for that Siggie.

But are those involved incapable of composing a wriggle-proof question that will force a direct answer from the White House about why the carpet is not available?

It's my experience that Armenian organisations tend to never ask the most pertinent questions, never word the questions they do ask in the best way, pose questions that they think will put them in good standing within their community rather than ask questions that directly concern the recipient of the questions, and are often too deferential to those in power.

[Siggie]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

Armenian ‘orphan rug’ is in White House storage, as unseen as genocide is neglected

By Philip Kennicott, Published: October 21

The rug was woven by orphans in the 1920s and formally presented to the White House in 1925. A photograph shows President Calvin Coolidge standing on the carpet, which is no mere juvenile effort, but a complicated, richly detailed work that would hold its own even in the largest and most ceremonial rooms.

If you can read a carpet’s cues, the plants and animals depicted on the rug may represent the Garden of Eden, which is about as far removed as possible from the rug’s origins in the horrific events of 1915, when the fracturing and senescent Ottoman Empire began a murderous campaign against its Armenian population. Between 1 million and 1.5 million people were killed or died of starvation, and others were uprooted from their homes in what has been termed the first modern and systematic genocide. Many were left orphans, including the more than 100,000 children who were assisted by the U.S.-sponsored Near East Relief organization, which helped relocate and protect the girls who wove the “orphan rug.” It was made in the town of Ghazir, now in Lebanon, as thanks for the United States’ assistance during the genocide.

There was hope that the carpet, which has been in storage for almost 20 years, might be displayed Dec. 16 as part of a Smithsonian event that would include a book launch for Hagop Martin Deranian’s “President Calvin Coolidge and the Armenian Orphan Rug.” But on Sept. 12, the Smithsonian scholar who helped organize the event canceled it, citing the White House’s decision not to loan the carpet. In a letter to two Armenian American organizations, Paul Michael Taylor, director of the institution’s Asian cultural history program, had no explanation for the White House’s refusal to allow the rug to be seen and said that efforts by the U.S. ambassador to Armenia, John A. Heffern, to intervene had also been unavailing.

Although Taylor, Heffern and the White House curator, William G. Allman, had discussed during a January meeting the possibility of an event that might include the rug, it became clear that the rug wasn’t going to emerge from deep hiding.

“This week I spoke again with the White House curator asking if there was any indication of when a loan might be possible again but he has none,” wrote Taylor in the letter. Efforts to contact Heffern through the embassy in the Armenian capital of Yerevan were unsuccessful, and the State Department referred all questions to the White House.

Last week, the White House issued a statement: “The Ghazir rug is a reminder of the close relationship between the peoples of Armenia and the United States. We regret that it is not possible to loan it out at this time.”

That leaves the rug, and the sponsors of the event, in limbo, a familiar place for Armenians. Neither Ara Ghazarians of the Armenian Cultural Foundation nor Levon Der Bedrossian of the Armenian Rugs Society can be sure if the event they had helped plan was canceled for the usual political reason: fear of negative reaction from Turkey, which has resolutely resisted labeling the events at the end of the Ottoman Empire a genocide. But both suspect it might have been.

“Turkey is a very powerful country,” says Der Bedrossian, whose organization was planning to fund a reception for the event.

And it’s a sign of the Obama administration’s dismal reputation in the Armenian American community that everyone assumes it must be yet another slap in the face for Armenians seeking to promote understanding of one of the darkest chapters in 20th-century history.

Aram Suren Hamparian, executive director of the Armenian National Committee of America, says the president has had “a very negative reception across the board in the Armenian world, and that includes both Democrats and Republicans.” The principal emotion is profound disappointment. As a candidate, and senator, Obama spoke eloquently about the Armenian genocide, risking the ire of Turkey and Turkish organizations. But since taking office, says Hamparian, Obama has avoided the word, making more general statements about Armenian suffering. Critics of his silence point to the geopolitical importance of Turkey in a region made only more complex by the Arab Spring and a brutal civil war in Syria.

The word genocide is a flash point in the ongoing animosity between Turkey, Armenia and the Armenian diaspora. Turkish resistance to accepting the historical facts of the Armenian genocide has included wholesale denial that the events took place, an effort to contextualize them as the fallout of a complicated, violent period, and semantic argument based on the 1948 legal definition of genocide, established by the United Nations. Independent scholars have eviscerated the first of these claims, demonstrated the bad faith of the second (the treatment of the Armenians was egregious) and grappled seriously with the legal particulars, especially the difficulty of proving the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.” But few seriously argue that the events weren’t genocidal.

Samantha Power, for example, uses the term “Armenian genocide” throughout her landmark 2002 book on genocide, “A Problem From Hell.” Power was appointed by Obama to serve as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, and was confirmed in August.

But the president’s language has been more circumspect. As a candidate, he said, “The Armenian genocide is not an allegation, a personal opinion or a point of view, but rather a widely documented fact supported by an overwhelming body of historical evidence. America deserves a leader who speaks truthfully about the Armenian genocide and responds forcefully to all genocides.” But in his most recent presidential proclamation honoring April 24’s Armenian Remembrance Day, he used the Armenian term “Meds Yeghern” — “great calamity” — while avoiding explicit mention of genocide.

U.S. government officials and the Smithsonian have been reluctant to address a controversy that is often dismissed as just another intractable historical dispute. Although Armenian musicians performed at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival in 2002, a Smithsonian spokeswoman says the institution hasn’t taken up the subject of the genocide, a remarkable omission of scholarship concerning an important ethnic group in the United States and one of the last century’s most critical and notorious historical events. (Even Adolf Hitler supposedly referred to the Armenian genocide in a quote that is also disputed by some scholars: “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” he asked in a speech just before Germany invaded Poland in 1939.)

In Power’s book, the author notes the power of “Turkish objections” to prevent official U.S. recognition of the genocide. As a presidential candidate, Obama said in a statement that he “stood with the Armenian American community in calling for Turkey’s acknowledgment of the Armenian Genocide.” But April’s presidential proclamation finessed the delicate situation by saying, “I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view has not changed,” suggesting he strongly supports a truth he no longer has the courage to utter.

Calls and e-mails to the Turkish Embassy in Washington weren’t returned.

The status of the rug remains ambiguous. It was last taken out of storage in 1995 and is reported to be in good condition. But a White House spokesman declined to answer questions about whether it might ever be seen again, if the climate is simply too politicized for the rug to be exhibited.

And the Smithsonian is distancing itself from Taylor. “Dr. Taylor put this together on his own, nobody knew about it, certainly senior leadership didn’t know about it,” says Randall Kremer, who handles public affairs for the National Museum of Natural History, where Taylor is employed.

Taylor says he doesn’t want to speculate about why the White House won’t lend the object, and he says he isn’t an expert on the tortured politics of the region. It was the rug, its iconography, its status among Armenians and its history that intrigued him, especially after hearing Armenians discuss it during a 2012 visit to Armenia.

“We’re not afraid of doing Armenian exhibitions,” he says. “I would love to do one.”

Although the White House can offer no explanation about why the rug is off limits to the American people, Der Bedrossian is optimistic that it might someday see the light of day.

“Rug weaving is a metaphor for me: We can make peace weaving together,” he says. “We are patient. I tend to believe in miracles. Someday it will come.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/museums/armenian-orphan-rug-remains-in-white-house-storage-as-unseen-as-genocide-is-neglected/2013/10/21/90458518-3a6d-11e3-b6a9-da62c264f40e_story.html

[Siggie]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

Was there anything about the reason for the "castration" that I didn't catch? Is this different than the "castration" of statues?

[TomServo]

Re: Castrated Armenian carpets!

International Conference
“Armenian knot: tradition of carpet weaving art”
November 20-22, 2013, Yerevan, Armenia

Ministry of Culture of the Republic of Armenia and Hovhannes Sharambeyan Centre of Popular Creation are organizing international conference “Armenian knot: tradition of carpet weaving art” to explore issues of Armenian carpet.

The conference will mainly focus on the following topics:

· Research and typology of Armenian Carpet weaving. Its role in Middle Eastern carpet weaving art
· Armenian carpets in foreign museums; private collections of Armenian carpets
· Interrelationship between ornamentation principles of the artistic weaving of the Armenian carpet, needlework and lace, miniature painting, applied and monumental art
· Traditional and modern carpet
· Modern technologies of carpet restoration
· Issues regarding preservation, exposition and research of fabric in museum collections

http://armacad.blogspot.com/2013/05/confcfp-armenian-knot-tradition-of.html