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Originally posted by MadHandle
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I actually have heard of Cannibus. I've heard the way he raps and all and his flow, delivery, and lyrics are all better than average. He sure has more talent than most of these chumps in commercial rap nowadays. I remember his beef with LL Cool J way back. He was pretty good. -
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I am a rapper...
in the shower.Achkerov kute.Comment
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My bunny hips and it hops.
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Ok, let me water down my reply...
I think Armenians listening to "hip hop" is equally if not more lame then a person of "light" complextion listening to rap. Sorry, but everything in rap is about the "white man" oppressing the "black man", furthermore, rap is a negative influence on society and believe me I know becuase I experienced it first hand. Most of the reason Armenians in LA do the stuff that they do is because of the culturally degenerating music known as "rap".
Sorry, is that better for you? I never knew "$%@#" was a racial slur, but yet when rappers call one another "nigga" it is ok? What about when Armenians call one another "Armo" is that ok as well?
I have been listening to rap every since the early nineties and based on my own experience I do not consider it a "artform" and or "music". All they do is beat box a older "hit" and just add similar lyrics, however, if this may be appealing to you so be it.
If I had to decide on the best all time rappers and or most influential artists and producers I would have to pick...
1) Run DMC (Brought to Main Stream)
2) KRS One (Perfected the Art of battling)
3) Slick Rick ( Is just "dope")
4) Dr. Dre/Snoop/Death Row ( Introduced Violence in Rap)
5) Biggie/Tupac
Anyways, any "artistic expression" that hip-hop may have had went the way of the dodo a long time ago, nowadays, rap has become anything but "street music". This is why I refrain from even discussing the top 5 right now because everything after Biggies and Tupac is garbage.
However, in general, "rap" and "hip-hop" is "black music" and since Armenians are not "black" I see no logic behind them "bumping" rap unless of course they "wannabe" black.Last edited by Virgil; 08-10-2004, 10:59 PM.Comment
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Ok....Originally posted by Virgil
First of all, not everyone that listens to rap wants to be "wannabe" black or they bump it because they want to be wannabe black.
Second of all, whether you regard rap as an artform or not, there are people like myself that listen to it because we enjoy it for what it is. The music production it has and the talent that raps over it.
Thirdly, don't mix rap with hip hop. 2 seperate things. Hip hop is a culture form that entails DJ-ing, rapping, graffiti, and break dancing. RAP is a part of HIP HOP and not all aspects of hip hop involve violence as you can see.
Fourthly, all this post asked you to do was name your top 5 artists of hip hop. You didn't have to go into all of the political stuff behind why Armenians listen to hip hop. Many of us do... so just live with it.
Fifthly, I'm glad you listed your top 5, because as most people agree.... your top 5 are a few of the many well respected pioneers of rap. I like your selection.
Sixthly, rap after 2pac and Biggie is not all garbage. That's being close minded and only limiting yourself to what you're used to hear and since you claim that all Armenians that listen to rap want to be a "wannabe" black, do you consider yourself one for listening to the artists you listed?
Seventhly, keep an open mind to rap artists. There actually are a lot of talented artists that have evolved since Biggie and Pac. As Mad Handle and I were explaining, you WONT find that in the mainstream commercial rap you see on TV. You'll spot them in the semi-underground scene. If you're curious, one of the examples is the video that I posted up of Crooked I. Another example would be of the artists me, Mad Handle, and some other people posted in our lists. Search for them on google or yahoo and something if you want to open up your mind more towards this genre of music.
Other than that, everyone else.... please continue to post your top 5 artists in rap.Comment
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I am not going to comment and or derail the thread after this reply, cheers.
In short, you are already caught up in pop-culture because Hip-Hop and rap are very "popish" nowadays. Anyways, I will say that that genre started out fresh, but ended up being another hand job of corporate America. Nowadays, you have to be shot 10 times to be a "rap star".
However, do not try to hide the effects of rap underneath the blanket of a "art form" because it is not even close. I use to listen to that music when I was young, but now I realize how stupid it is. It is morally degenerating music in that it promotes violence, degrades women, and influences the use racial slurs based on the "backwards" logic of how it is ok if the person you say it to belongs to the same racial/ethnic group as yourself.
Anyways, I found it hypocritical that the mods would try and delete my post based on the fact that I used the word "wigger" when in fact rap lyrics use the word "nigga" more often then any Neo-Nazi. Also, the word "wigger" is not even a racial slur; however, since I do not want to offend "white" Africans I will not use this word.
If you agree with degrading Armenian women, calling one another Armos, and or violence then you have my blessings, but in no way is "rap" constructive towards the betterment of society.
Lastly, since this a "feel good" forum I will stop here because I have already made it clear how ridiculous it is for upper socioeconomic Armenian youth to listen to music that made, sold, and promoted by the lower socioeconomic class of America. Armenians having homes in suburban neighborhoods like Scott Rd. to Emerald Isle can in no way relate to the African-American that lives in the projects unless of course there is something I am missing? However, if you are truly "ghetto" and "gangsta" I would suggest you sell your homes and "Beemers" and move to a more rugged environment at least then you will truly be a "product of your environment".
Sorry, this may sound like a "rant", but I am sick of "wannabe" Paskahyes and Stances thinking they are this thugged out black man. Furthermore, I know "thugged out" Armenians and I do respect most of them, but most Armenians are not "thugged out", yes, they have "balls", but they are not "thugs" and or "gangstas", cheers.Last edited by Virgil; 08-11-2004, 12:11 AM.Comment
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You need to stop listning to "commercial rap". Like I said before, commercial rap is exactly what the name says...commercial. Chingy, 50 cent, ect...are not what rap/hiphop is mostly about and their skills are garbage. For example, 50 cent got shot 9 times...thats intersting for "suburban" kids. Yes, mainstream rap today is basically designed for the burbs...the "streets" have what you call a mixtape or underground artists that most people never heard of.Actually you can get better quality artist from sites like soundclick.com . People who truly understand rap/hiphop don't lisnt to today's commercial garbage, basically cause its about nothing...Originally posted by VirgilI am not going to comment and or derail the thread after this reply, cheers.
In short, you are already caught up in pop-culture because Hip-Hop and rap are very "popish" nowadays. Anyways, I will say that that genre started out fresh, but ended up being another hand job of corporate America. Nowadays, you have to be shot 10 times to be a "rap star".
However, do not try to hide the effects of rap underneath the blanket of a "art form" because it is not even close. I use to listen to that music when I was young, but now I realize how stupid it is. It is morally degenerating music in that it promotes violence, degrades women, and influences the use racial slurs based on the "backwards" logic of how it is ok if the person you say it to belongs to the same racial/ethnic group as yourself.
Anyways, I found it hypocritical that the mods would try and delete my post based on the fact that I used the word "wigger" when in fact rap lyrics use the word "nigga" more often then any Neo-Nazi. Also, the word "wigger" is not even a racial slur; however, since I do not want to offend "white" Africans I will not use this word.
If you agree with degrading Armenian women, calling one another Armos, and or violence then you have my blessings, but in no way is "rap" constructive towards the betterment of society.
Lastly, since this a "feel good" forum I will stop here because I have already made it clear how ridiculous it is for upper socioeconomic Armenian youth to listen to music that made, sold, and promoted by the lower socioeconomic class of America. Armenians having homes in suburban neighborhoods like Scott Rd. to Emerald Isle can in no way relate to the African-American that lives in the projects unless of course there is something I am missing? However, if you are truly "ghetto" and "gangsta" I would suggest you sell your homes and "Beemers" and move to a more rugged environment at least then you will truly be a "product of your environment".
Sorry, this may sound like a "rant", but I am sick of "wannabe" Paskahyes and Stances thinking they are this thugged out black man. Furthermore, I know "thugged out" Armenians and I do respect most of them, but most Armenians are not "thugged out", yes, they have "balls", but they are not "thugs" and or "gangstas", cheers.
And who said rap/hiphip was just for black people? A white guy created and played basketball...does that make it a white man's sport? The answer is no cause sports and music don't have color. If your good at what you do...then I don't see a problem in that.
And I don't think rap or hiphop is a negative influece on people...I mean I been listning to rap since I was young. Economically I was always below par and still am...I mean anyone who recently moved from Armenia will and most of my friends are not suburb and we did live in project type units...but hearing about things through rap/hiphop didn't make us do the things we heard. There are more "negative" infulences on people then rap...trust me I know.Comment
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You say you respect Armenian thugs, yet think Armenians listening to Rap music is ridiculous? Ok..."All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl MarxComment
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No, that is not what I said. I respect anyone that has a lived a difficult life and would never judge anyones decisions unless I walked in their shoes. However, in the case of some Armenians they have not lived a "ghetto" life. Most come from middle-class familes that own homes and drive beemers. I respect those "thugs" that have actually lived the life depicted by "rappers", however, a Paskahye and or Stance that lives in Glendale or North Hollywood is not a Thug.Originally posted by HyeJinx1984
Armenians need to get out of the "slave mentality" of thinking they are a minority because by law they are not and economically they live a life that is far from the life of a minority.
Yes, I do consider Armenians listening to rap ridiculous. However, I do not want to discuss this any further because it is no use. One day you will learn that listening to rap is stupid and the message is anything but motivational. Other then generating hatred, contempt, envy, and in general "negativity" it is no use.
If you are honest with yourself, truly listen to the lyrics and write them down then read the lyrics outload because by time you finish reading the lyrics you will see that outside of the back beat, Rap, as a "artform" is BS.
First of all do not compare sports to music, however, basketball is a gay sport compared to soccer, but again sports and music is like apples and oranges.And who said rap/hiphip was just for black people? A white guy created and played basketball...does that make it a white man's sport? The answer is no cause sports and music don't have color. If your good at what you do...then I don't see a problem in that.
No, Akeem the African Dream, Rap is considered as a "black man's" cultural music and no I am not picking on rap because it is "black music" because I listen to Blues as well as rock, which are influenced by "black" musicians as much as "white" musicians, but blues and rock requires talent.
However, the messages in rap are only relavent to the listener if they are racially "black". Just the fact that one of Tupac's albums was entitled "Strictly For My Niggas" should send a signal to you middle-class, "Beemer" driving, and home owning Armenians that rap is meant for African-Americans because only African-Americans can relate to the "white man's" oppresion or are you telling me that you have been oppressed by the "white man" as well?
Anyways, I am not going to argue for the sake of argument. It is no use anyway, the Armenian mentality has already degenerated into a slave mentality.
Yeah, so let us continue this discussion like I never said anything, cheers!
Last edited by Virgil; 08-11-2004, 01:39 AM.Comment
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