Ignorance

[Anonymouse]

By the way, Candy Shop is a good song, and I'm thinking of a certain cookie right about now.

[One-Way]

Eh, saying stuff like "Candy Shop" has no right no exist- that's just ignorant. That song was made for entertainment, to catch the years of young kids and for 50 Cent to sell as big as he did. I'm not trying to force anyone to like rap either, I'm just saying most of you hate the music without listening to it. And by listening I obviously don't mean "Candy Shop".

Second, I'm also talking about rock music. People are ignorant when it comes to that too. As I said, people stereotype rock as "loud guitars with people yelling". Rap is said to be "meaningless words about a lifestyle of cars and money".

Anonymouse will never in his life say something like, "Yeah, I sort of agree with you on that point" - you're always trying to say you're right and whatever I say is wrong. Am I so wrong on the fact that you stereotype all rap and don't give a chance to listen to REAL rappers. Pick up a CD and take a listen, boy.

[K0nArtist]

Owned.

[Anonymouse]

Anonymouse will never in his life say something like, "Yeah, I sort of agree with you on that point" - you're always trying to say you're right and whatever I say is wrong.

That is not what I said. It was clearly my opinion from my experience.

Am I so wrong on the fact that you stereotype all rap and don't give a chance to listen to REAL rappers. Pick up a CD and take a listen, boy.

Stop whining.

[One-Way]

Nice comebacks.

[Anonymouse]

Nice comebacks.

Thank you. Thank you.

[One-Way]

Lmao, good one.

[nairi]

In fact it does not take as much talent to rap, than it does to memorize musical notes, and play a variety of instruments.

I think a good rapper does need talent, but that aside. I know at least three musicians who can barely read notes, if at all, but have the ability to play a variety of instruments Beethoven would be jealous of (before becoming deaf). All through hearing.

On the other hand, some of the best musicians play just one instrument. Most top-quality singers don't even play an instrument at all.

Memorizing musical notes is perhaps hard for some, but it isn't for most. Memorizing musical notes comes down to memorizing melodies. Melody could be any sequence of sounds, including someone's phone number. But memorizing doesn't even matter, considering that most, if not all, orchestras, for instance, and certainly classical singers, always have their sheets in front of them when they perform.

Even listening to jazz, or classic rock, one can see a talent and genius and complexity of music that is still unrivalled by modern genres.

I don't think levels of complexity necessarily make a work more superior.

As for rock, jazz, and even classical, when they first came out, most people hated it. People saw the degradation of music. Certainly jazz and blues were thought of in the same way as ghetto (and non-ghetto) rap today. Low-life, talentless, ghetto/field n***ers. And yet, both genres spread throughout the whole world to form the basis of many, many forms of music, including modern-day rap and electronic music. In fact, techno has its roots in early rap, and breakbeat has its roots in techno. As far as I know both these genres were created in the ghetto.

I guess I'm always open for innovation, whatever this may be. I don't care for complexity or musical genius. I'm in no position to judge that, and I'd rather not. I simply enjoy what I like, no matter what it is. I can enjoy trash metal as much as Khachaturian's piano concerto if I'm in the right mood.

[bell-the-cat]

I agree with One-way on Rap. I have brought forth this argument on at least one other forum, but only few people seem to understand it.

Rap in its most primitive form is simply speaking rhythmically (which, btw, to do competently is A LOT harder than many people think!).

But not really. The whole point in speaking rythmically is to make the words easier to remember for the speaker, and the subject easier to receive for the listener. So it should be easier, unless it was improvised. And since most rap lyrics are not exactly heavy with the use of words, even an off-the-cuff composition shouldn't be that hard to do with practice and confidence.

Rap as a style of writing or speaking is often just bad poetry. A few years ago it was noted that the most famous poem by the "world's worst poet" William Mcgonagall reads exactly like the lyrics of a rap record, though it was written almost 100 years before any such musical genre existed! Check it out and see for yourself. The Tay Bridge Disaster

It's not the writing style of rap music that I object to, nor the actual music, it's the lyric content. Based on what I've heard of it - the lyrics of almost all rap music is bombastic, shallow, consumerist, egotistical, and self-centred. For that reason, I'm surprised our Winston/Winoman hasn't rushed in to defend the genre.

[nairi]

But not really. The whole point in speaking rythmically is to make the words easier to remember for the speaker, and the subject easier to receive for the listener.

I'm not sure who taught you that, but you might as well say the same about singing. And since I don't understand a word of what Cecilia Bartoli sings, I have every right to claim that she can't sing whatsoever... It makes no sense. There are singers who are very clear articulators (Frank Sinatra case in point), and there are others that for the life of you you couldn't understand (the lead of Radiohead). I would say the same for rapping. There are very clear rappers, with a very clear message, and some, well, that swallow their words and sometimes have no message at all.

It's not the writing style of rap music that I object to, nor the actual music, it's the lyric content. Based on what I've heard of it - the lyrics of almost all rap music is bombastic, shallow, consumerist, egotistical, and self-centred.

Again, I wonder where you learned this and why you would only apply it to the obviously limited amount of rap you've heard. First of all, you obviously need to define bombastic and shallow. What for one is deep (such as Wordsworth poetry) is extremely shallow for another. I see little shallowness in singing about one's experience in this world. As for bombastic, I invite you to read anything from Aristotle's time to the present.

Egotistical and self-centered? Isn't practically everything made by humans like that? How many painters think about others when they paint their own visions on cavas? How many poets don't write lyrics?

Consumerist: you might as well say that everything that is made with the intention of the artist to sell, is consumerist. Shakespeare is a wonderful example of a self-centered bombastic consumerist who thought more about simple entertainment to gain money for himself than moralizing plots for his audience.

In short, I entirely disagree with you, since you (and Mouse) take the liberty of cornering rap, and only rap, as if rap is the only genre that is faulty by definition, and absolutely inconceivable to be in any way remotely close to your sophisticated tastes.