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  • #371
    Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

    Turkey block US Navy!....

    Oooooops........
    Poor, poor America....

    From Yahoo News:

    As of late Thursday, Ankara , a NATO ally, hadn't cleared any U.S. naval vessels to steam to Georgia through the Bosporus and the Dardanelles, the narrow straits that connect the Mediterranean and the Black Seas, the officials said. Under the 1936 Montreaux Convention , countries must notify Turkey before sending warships through the straits.
    U.S. officials said the Turks hadn't cleared U.S. naval vessels to transit the Bosporus and the Dardanelles.

    "The Turks haven't been helpful," said a State Department official. "They are being sluggish and unresponsive."

    The Russian invasion of Georgia has almost certainly unnerved Turkey because it has huge energy and trade interests in adjacent Central Asia.
    Turkey also may be reluctant to jeopardize the $24 billion in annual trade it does with Russia , which provides around 70 percent of its natural gas supplies. The Turkish Navy also shares the Black Sea with Russia's powerful Black Sea Fleet, which in part has prompted Ankara in recent years to restrict U.S. and NATO naval operations and exercises there.
    The current situation echoes the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq , when the Bush administration tried to send thousands of U.S. troops into northern Iraq through Turkey — a Muslim nation where most people opposed the war— without first obtaining Ankara's permission.

    The Turkish parliament refused to allow the United States to use its territory.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080815/wl_mcclatchy/3018675_1





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    • #372
      Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

      Originally posted by North Pole View Post
      Turkey block US Navy!....

      Oooooops........
      Poor, poor America....

      From Yahoo News:

      As of late Thursday, Ankara , a NATO ally, hadn't cleared any U.S. naval vessels to steam to Georgia through the Bosporus and the Dardanelles, the narrow straits that connect the Mediterranean and the Black Seas, the officials said. Under the 1936 Montreaux Convention , countries must notify Turkey before sending warships through the straits.
      U.S. officials said the Turks hadn't cleared U.S. naval vessels to transit the Bosporus and the Dardanelles.

      "The Turks haven't been helpful," said a State Department official. "They are being sluggish and unresponsive."

      The Russian invasion of Georgia has almost certainly unnerved Turkey because it has huge energy and trade interests in adjacent Central Asia.
      Turkey also may be reluctant to jeopardize the $24 billion in annual trade it does with Russia , which provides around 70 percent of its natural gas supplies. The Turkish Navy also shares the Black Sea with Russia's powerful Black Sea Fleet, which in part has prompted Ankara in recent years to restrict U.S. and NATO naval operations and exercises there.
      The current situation echoes the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq , when the Bush administration tried to send thousands of U.S. troops into northern Iraq through Turkey — a Muslim nation where most people opposed the war— without first obtaining Ankara's permission.

      The Turkish parliament refused to allow the United States to use its territory.

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080815/wl_mcclatchy/3018675_1





      ...seeing as the US wants its warships in the Black Sea and...
      US advises all Americans to leave Georgia
      By MATTHEW LEE – 4 days ago
      WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department is recommending that all U.S. citizens to leave Georgia due to ongoing Russian bombing of civilian and military targets despite Russia's claim to have halted military operations there.
      In a new travel warning, it says the security situation throughout Georgia remains uncertain and that it is organizing a third evacuation convoy to take Americans who want to leave by road to neighboring Armenia. More than 170 Americans left Georgia on Sunday and Monday in two similar convoys. The entire contingent of Peace Corps volunteers in Georgia has left for Armenia.
      The department says the U.S. Embassy in Tbilisi remains open for emergency services and that Americans who chose not to leave should consider moving to secure locations.
      ...it looks like Turkey might be inadvertently delaying WWIII.

      This is scary. I think Bush really wants to start another war before he leaves office.
      Last edited by crusader1492; 08-16-2008, 08:13 AM.

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      • #373
        Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

        Bush may, or more correctly is, dumb enough to start a war with Iran, which could also lead to ww3, but do you really think he would start one with Russia especially over georgia?

        However, as one of the articles pointed out, another Russian bombing raid may inadvertently kill american advisors which would really up the ante.
        For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
        to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



        http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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        • #374
          Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

          Originally posted by Armanen View Post
          Bush may, or more correctly is, dumb enough to start a war with Iran, which could also lead to ww3, but do you really think he would start one with Russia especially over georgia?

          However, as one of the articles pointed out, another Russian bombing raid may inadvertently kill american advisors which would really up the ante.
          I think Bush starting another war is firmly within the scope of reality. The man has shown his unscrupulous nature for 8 years...what is to stop him from now? ...especially since all of his (and his buddies) interests are going to shit in the Caucuses.

          He probably would rather gamble a war now (while he is in power). He's got nothing to lose (he's not up for re-election) and he's got everything to lose (the billions of dollars he's invested in Azeri oil).

          The bottom line is that the man is a son-of-a-bitch

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          • #375
            Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

            Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
            I think Bush starting another war is firmly within the scope of reality. The man has shown his unscrupulous nature for 8 years...what is to stop him from now? ...especially since all of his (and his buddies) interests are going to shit in the Caucuses.

            He probably would rather gamble a war now (while he is in power). He's got nothing to lose (he's not up for re-election) and he's got everything to lose (the billions of dollars he's invested in Azeri oil).

            The bottom line is that the man is a son-of-a-bitch
            Where will his next war be? The caucasus, Persia or South America that's the true question to ask.

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            • #376
              Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

              Originally posted by Armanen View Post
              Bush may, or more correctly is, dumb enough to start a war with Iran, which could also lead to ww3, but do you really think he would start one with Russia especially over georgia?

              However, as one of the articles pointed out, another Russian bombing raid may inadvertently kill american advisors which would really up the ante.
              The chances of two superpowers going at it in a war are unlikely these days. There will never be a war between two nuclear powers because both sides know the risks are just too much. Countries have the amount of nukes needed to blow the Earth ten times over. The only possible nuclear war I see happening is India-Pakistan but that's a longshot too.

              There will only be proxy wars such as Georgia (USA) vs Russia where one superpower funds a third state to fight a war with another superpower.
              Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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              • #377
                Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
                I think Bush starting another war is firmly within the scope of reality. The man has shown his unscrupulous nature for 8 years...what is to stop him from now? ...especially since all of his (and his buddies) interests are going to shit in the Caucuses.

                He probably would rather gamble a war now (while he is in power). He's got nothing to lose (he's not up for re-election) and he's got everything to lose (the billions of dollars he's invested in Azeri oil).

                The bottom line is that the man is a son-of-a-bitch

                That's all true, but you do know that neither he nor cheney are really pulling the strings right?
                For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                • #378
                  Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                  Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                  That's all true, but you do know that neither he nor cheney are really pulling the strings right?
                  When I say "George Bush", that includes hin and his entire filthy circle.

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                  • #379
                    Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                    Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
                    When I say "George Bush", that includes hin and his entire filthy circle.

                    He was never "in" the circle to begin with. And I meant the cabal wouldn't let him go to war with Russia, not directly at least.
                    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                    http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                    • #380
                      Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                      Georgian rail bridge blast hits Azeri oil exports
                      Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:59pm BST Email | Print | Share | Single Page | Recommend (0) [-] Text [+]
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                      BAKU (Reuters) - Azerbaijan suspended oil exports through ports in western Georgia on Sunday after an explosion damaged a key rail bridge there.

                      Georgia accused Russian troops of blowing up a railway bridge west of the capital Tbilisi earlier in the day, saying its main east-west train link had been severed. Russia strongly denied any involvement.

                      "Transportation of oil and oil products in the western direction by railway has been suspended," Azerbaijan's state railway company said in a statement read out on television.

                      It gave the bridge explosion as the reason for the suspension. "The last shipment made by this railway contained 15 tanks," it said.

                      Another 72 oil tanks had been due to be sent to next-door Armenia before the railway link was cut off, it said.

                      The railway line runs from Tbilisi, through the Russian-occupied Georgian town of Gori, before splitting in three and running to the Black Sea ports of Poti and Batumi and southwest to just short of the Turkish border.

                      Azerbaijan is emerging as an important oil supplier to the West and its fast economic growth depends heavily on revenues from oil exports from the land-locked Caspian Sea.

                      Last week it suspended crude shipments via its key, BP-operated (BP.L: Quote, Profile, Research) Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan link to Turkey after a fire damaged it.

                      Earlier this week BP closed the pipeline taking crude from Azerbaijan's Caspian port of Baku to the Georgian port of Supsa on the Black Sea, citing fighting between Georgian and Russian troops.

                      A pipeline running from the Caspian Sea to Russia's Black Sea port of Novorossiisk currently remains Azerbaijan's only oil export outlet.

                      (Reporting by Afet Mehteva; Writing by Dmitry Solovyov; Editing by Gerrard Raven)

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