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    Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

    The Ossetians are evacuating children to Russia... something is cooking there.

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    South Ossetia evacuates children


    The breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia says it is evacuating children to neighbouring Russia, amid renewed violence.

    The authorities said they had started to put children on buses to take them out of the conflict zone, but it is not clear how many children have left.

    Georgia said the decision was worrying, as it could be a sign the separatists were preparing for more violence.

    Six people died on Friday when South Ossetia's capital came under fire.

    The Russian-backed separatists and the Georgian authorities blamed each other for starting the fighting.

    Tensions have risen in South Ossetia and Georgia's other breakaway region, Abkhazia, after Russia announced it would establish official links with the separatists.

    Georgia's government says Russia is supporting and inciting the separatists to create instability as part of its attempts to stop Georgia joining Nato, says the BBC's Matthew Collin in Tbilisi.

    It also accuses Russia of acting to maintain the Kremlin's influence in this former Soviet region, our correspondent says.

    'Full-scale war'

    The separatists said three of their militiamen were killed by Georgian sniper fire and three civilians died when the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali was shelled on Friday night.

    South Ossetian President Eduard Kokoity accused Georgia of "attempting to spark a full-scale war", and said he was ready to mobilise volunteer fighters if the situation deteriorated further.

    The Georgian interior ministry told the BBC that the separatists had provoked the violence by opening fire first, and troops had responded.

    It said snipers were not involved and that populated areas were not shelled.

    Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili also said that South Ossetian forces had blown up a Georgian police car with a mine earlier on Friday, injuring six policemen.

    Friday's overnight fighting was the worst violence in South Ossetia for several years.

    Skirmishes have erupted frequently along the border, with the two sides accusing each other of starting them.

    South Ossetia fought a war to break away from Georgia during the collapse of the USSR at the beginning of the 1990s.

    It has remained de facto independent, backed by Russia which has about 1,000 peacekeeping troops stationed there.

    Georgia has been seeking to restore its control over both South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

    From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7539282.stm
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  • #2
    Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

    Armenia needs to mobilize Javakh amidst this chaos!

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    • #3
      Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

      This preceded the previous event
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      Georgia, S. Ossetia talk war after 6 die in clash

      TBILISI, Aug 2 (Reuters) - Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia said on Saturday it was evacuating children to Russia and accused Georgia of targeting civilians after six people died overnight in a shootout with Georgian forces.

      Stoking fears of war in the volatile Caucasus, separatist president Eduard Kokoity said he was ready to mobilise his region's men and take volunteers from the Russian republic of North Ossetia and other Caucasus republics to fight Georgia.

      South Ossetia broke away from Georgia after a bloody war in the early 1990s. Russia has sent in a peacekeeping force, which Moscow says is needed to avert a new war.

      South Ossetia said on its website, cominf.org, that the death toll had risen overnight from three to six people and armed clashes continued through the night on the outskirts of the separatist capital, Tskhinvali.

      It said shooting came from three ethnic Georgian villages, but Georgia blamed the separatists for provoking the clashes.

      The commander of Georgia's peacekeeping force in the region, Mamuka Kurashvili, was quoted by Interfax news agency as saying South Ossetian peacekeepers shot at a Georgian village and suspected Russian peacekeepers of taking part.

      Georgian peacekeepers and police officers returned fire and repelled the attack, he said.

      Georgia's Interior Ministry said nine civilians in the Georgian villages in South Ossetia were injured, while Tskhinvali said up to 15 were injured on its side, up from seven reported on Friday. Kokoity put the number of injured at 13.

      "This is another attempt by the separatist side to involve Georgia in a military conflict," Georgia's state minister in charge of re-integration, Temur Iakobashvili, told reporters in Tbilisi before leaving to visit the shootout area.

      "The Georgian side was forced to return fire," he added.

      Later, Iakobashvili said South Ossetian leaders refused to meet him for talks, and he called for more peacekeepers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE).



      CHILDREN'S CAMPS

      On the separatist website, Kokoity accused Georgia of deliberately targeting young South Ossetian men with sniper fire and aiming artillery fire at Tskhinvali residential areas.

      Children were being evacuated in buses from the Tskhinvali area to children's camps in the Russian border region of North Ossetia, the site said.

      A spokesman for the Georgian Interior Ministry, Shota Utiashvili, denied use of snipers and weapons capable of hitting Tshinvali's "peaceful quarters" in televised remarks.

      Russia's foreign ministry, in a separate statement, urged both sides to show restraint and said it was taking "energetic measures" to prevent an escalation of the armed conflict.

      Russian news agencies quoted the a spokesman for the Russian defence ministry as saying Russian peacekeepers were not involved in the exchange of fire.

      The commander of Russia's paratroop force, celebrating Russia's annual Paratroop Day, turned up the rhetoric, saying his men were ready for deployment to South Ossetia to back up the peacekeepers, Interfax reported.

      "A decision to deploy extra forces is the purview of the Security Council and president, but in any case Russia will not allow harm to come to its citizens residing in South Ossetia," the news agency quoted Valery Yevtukhovich as saying.

      Georgia, which has irritated Russia by aspiring to join NATO, has accuses Moscow of seeking to annex South Ossetia and another rebel region, Abkhazia.

      Russia has rejected the blame and accused Tbilisi, which views restoring control over the breakaway provinces as a top national priority, of artificially stoking the crisis to find a pretext for seizing the regions by force. (Additional reporting by Melissa Akin in Moscow; Editing by Richard Meares)

      From: http://www.reuters.com/article/homep...9875._CH_.2400
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      • #4
        Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

        Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post
        Armenia needs to mobilize Javakh amidst this chaos!
        I agree but it's a big risk to involve the state of Armenia publicly. It should be done by the United Javakhk Alliance with underground support from Armenia.
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        • #5
          Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

          Originally posted by Federate View Post
          I agree but it's a big risk to involve the state of Armenia publicly. It should be done by the United Javakhk Alliance with underground support from Armenia.

          Yes, and I some members of the ARF, Artsakh War Veterens and formers members of ASALA should get involved too.
          For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
          to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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          • #6
            Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

            Originally posted by Armanen View Post
            Yes, and I some members of the ARF, Artsakh War Veterens and formers members of ASALA should get involved too.
            First we need an internal stability. That’s why HHSh’s leftovers, including the head, should be buried. Also, unless there is a major war breakout in Georgia with Russia’s involvement from N / NE, and we have the Russian’s blessing, this will not happen. The war is knocking the door, I hope we’ll get the blessing though.

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            • #7
              Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

              So what does everyone think, would Russia support Armenians in Javakhk? I think it would be there but not be as strong as their support for Abkhazia and Ossetia simply for the fact that it has a border with both of those entities and does not have one with Javakhk.

              I wish we had a border with Russia, everything would be much simpler.
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              • #8
                Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                My feeling is that the Armenians of Javakh have learned well from their Artsakh brothers. In short, I'm sure the organization, coordination and all necessary men and hardware are ready to go if the need for self-defense arises.
                Georgia's best bet to keep Javakh in their political borders would be to gradually (over time) force Armenians out as the Azeris did in Nakhichevan (by intitutionalized discrimination and governmental neglect). Conversely, if Georgia starts becoming impatient and overtly violent, they can say goodbye to Javakh as Armenians will fight back and win.

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                • #9
                  Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                  A little Javakhk history and why it belongs to Armenia...

                  ARA PAPYAN: PRESENT-DAY GEORGIA HAS NO RIGHT TO JAVAKHK

                  Present-day Georgia has no right to Javakhk, for no agreement on state border was signed between Armenia and Georgia after the war in 1918, said Ara Papyan, head of Modus Vivendi center, historian and former Armenian Ambassador to Canada. "The issue of borders in the South Caucasus should be resolved on the basis of the international law, through implementation of Woodrow Wilson's arbitral award and the principles proposed by the League of Nations on February 24, 1920," he said. "Decisions of the Communist Party's Central Committee on Karabakh and Javakhk should not determine Armenia's borders with Georgia and Azerbaijan. Leaders of modern Georgia eye the soviet era as period of foreign occupation." If someone questions the Paris conference's decision on Armenia, this person questions the entire legal and political system of Europe and Middle East, according to him. "A special commission dealing with the problem of Armenian borders said in its report that all territorial disputes should be considered by the League of Nations. Javakhk's annexation to Georgia was a result of occupation regime," Papyan said. The Armenian-Georgian war for Javakhk started on December 5, 1918 and was stopped after British interference on December 31. An agreement signed in Tiflis in January 1919 stated that the northern part of Borchalinsky district passed on to Georgia, the southern part passed on to Armenia while the middle (Lori and Zangezur) was announced a "neutral zone" and was under control of British governor-general. After establishment of the soviet rule, Javakhk issue was raised again. Overwhelming majority of the province stood for joining Armenia. A final decision was taken at the plenary session of the Caucasus Bureau and was forwarded to consideration of the Georgian Communist Party's Central Committee, which decreed that "taking into account Akhalkalaki's political and economic ties with Tiflis, the proposals of our Armenian comrades is unacceptable." After the end of WWI, Armenia and Turkey signed the Treaty of Sevres which envisaged Armenia's commitment to Woodrow Wilson's arbitral award determined borders with Turkey, Georgia and Azerbaijan. According to the award, Armenia was supposed to get Armenian-inhabited Transcaucasian regions, thus bringing its territory to 110 thousand km2.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                    Originally posted by Federate View Post
                    So what does everyone think, would Russia support Armenians in Javakhk? I think it would be there but not be as strong as their support for Abkhazia and Ossetia simply for the fact that it has a border with both of those entities and does not have one with Javakhk.

                    I wish we had a border with Russia, everything would be much simpler.

                    If Russia were already at war with georgia over Abkhazia and S. Ossetia then I think the Russians wouldn't mind seeing a 3rd front open up for the georgians. At the same time though Russia (and other world/regional powers) doesn't want to see Armenia become too powerful, cause then we will have more options, yet I think we should be more focused on how official baku and ankara would react. I think if Armenia got directly involved with helping the Armenians of Javakh, as in we sent our armed forces into Javakh then the azeri scum would most likely take advantage and attack. But all of this is highly theoretical, so let's just support our brothers and sisters in Javakh in any way they need, and lets see what happens in following months.
                    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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