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  • #11
    Re: (NWO) New World Order

    Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
    What part about medieval economics do you not understand? A capitalist system with small business as opposed to corporations existed for thousands of years quite well.
    Actually, I think I understand medieval economics quite well, it's just that I don't want to live in a medieval society. Do you?Try for a week to deny yourself all modern technologies.......
    Modern technologies need mass labour........end of.

    Removing the government and corporations from the equation wouldn't cause society to collapse because moral groups would still exist along with the infrastructure and money.
    So, these "moral" groups, let's call them "angels", what's their function? Similar to a police force (Spanish Inquisition). How is the infrastructure maintained? Who regulates, controls and supplies the money?
    Oh, we're moving on from my understanding of medieval history.
    People just freak out when anything with anarchy is mentioned....when anarcho-capitalism means rule through capitalism as opposed to rule through government.
    Words that don't belong in the same sentence = anarchy/rule. chalk/cheese.
    The current order of things is that Capital already rules the world, governments are effectively powerless. Are you niaive enough to think that international corporations have any loyalties other than to themselves and their profits?
    Anyways it hasn't been tried yet but what I do know is the current capitalist, socialist, communist and democratic socialist systems have failed miserably much due to fact few care about the system that runs their world and most only care about how they can personally manipulate its flaws.
    Half of the world has suffered from decades of social experimentation in the last 100 years.
    Perhaps you should petition for your home city to be the guinea pig. Revert to basic "medieval" levels, be quarantined from the rest of the world totally for a period of say, 2 years. Let's then review the results.
    Personally, I think within 6 weeks you'll be dreaming about your PC, TV, air travel, ipod and your campus coffee shop.
    Last edited by hrai; 04-20-2009, 10:18 PM.

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    • #12
      Re: (NWO) New World Order

      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
      Who's to say what system is better or worse? There have been successful societies formed with Socialism, Communism, Capitalism and variations in between. They are merely different ways of distributing the land's natural resources FAIRLY to the people. However, with Capitalism, the wealthy remain wealthy without ever being in the same system as the slaves below them provided they aren't complete morons.
      So where are the successful Communist states?

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      • #13
        Re: (NWO) New World Order

        Originally posted by hrai View Post
        So where are the successful Communist states?
        They weren't evil enough to use nuclear weapons.
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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        • #14
          Re: (NWO) New World Order

          Originally posted by hrai View Post
          Personally, I think within 6 weeks you'll be dreaming about your PC, TV, air travel, ipod and your campus coffee shop.
          None of which you need to survive. However, you do need a roof over your head, and food in your stomach. Let me know how well Capitalism treats you once you leave the comfy confines of your campus and enter the real world.
          "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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          • #15
            Re: (NWO) New World Order

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            They weren't evil enough to use nuclear weapons.
            Kanada, so successful = non-use of nukes?

            North Korea?
            Albania?

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            • #16
              Re: (NWO) New World Order

              Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
              None of which you need to survive. However, you do need a roof over your head, and food in your stomach. Let me know how well Capitalism treats you once you leave the comfy confines of your campus and enter the real world.
              treats me fine, no different from the socialism & communism I've lived under.

              Basically, for John Doe, whatever political/social structure is in place, his life is not too different. Obviously there are extreme exceptions, but the majority are the same.

              BTW, I've been "off campus" a while. (& these discussions were taking place then too, every generation of students discuss & re-invent a better social structure, encouraged by professors/tutors who spout the same lectures for decades about change but do absolutely nothing except secure their tenure.)

              Interesting that rather than answer questions posed, you choose to make rather aggressive statements instead........does that mean you don't have the answers?
              Last edited by hrai; 04-22-2009, 04:27 AM.

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              • #17
                Re: (NWO) New World Order

                Originally posted by hrai View Post
                Actually, I think I understand medieval economics quite well, it's just that I don't want to live in a medieval society. Do you?Try for a week to deny yourself all modern technologies.......
                Modern technologies need mass labour........end of.


                So, these "moral" groups, let's call them "angels", what's their function? Similar to a police force (Spanish Inquisition). How is the infrastructure maintained? Who regulates, controls and supplies the money?
                Oh, we're moving on from my understanding of medieval history.

                Words that don't belong in the same sentence = anarchy/rule. chalk/cheese.
                The current order of things is that Capital already rules the world, governments are effectively powerless. Are you niaive enough to think that international corporations have any loyalties other than to themselves and their profits?

                Half of the world has suffered from decades of social experimentation in the last 100 years.
                Perhaps you should petition for your home city to be the guinea pig. Revert to basic "medieval" levels, be quarantined from the rest of the world totally for a period of say, 2 years. Let's then review the results.
                Personally, I think within 6 weeks you'll be dreaming about your PC, TV, air travel, ipod and your campus coffee shop.
                1. Medieval economics is part of, but not all medieval society. Nor does the notion of adapting medieval economic methods imply throwing away our technology, that would be crazy especially since even in the medieval era people were constantly adapting and using new technologies.

                2. Okay then...you hate the church, amnesty international, and human rights commissions...and instead put your entire trust in your corporate police. Have fun...they won't give a damn about you though. You don't need corporate police to instil morality or order, people can find that order within themselves aka free will, and moral groups can led them in the right direction. This is not the Spanish inquisition...that occurred in a system of government.

                3. Governments are not effectively powerless. They tax and regulate...you think business likes that? No they don't. Regardless corporations were formed as a response to deal with the tax and regulation of the market by the forces of government. International corporations have loyalty to their shareholders, and loyalty to their CEO.

                Besides all the problems you worry about in today's world are a result of big corporations...instead what I prefer is millions upon millions of small independent companies competing (as a free market should be), and no one holding a massive monopoly like Microsoft or Apple does over computers and their software. If they were small (and thus you can go up to them as human beings) then they could care...big corporations can never.

                4. Again Economics does not encompass all society, it is part of a society. Read a dictionary please. Also read point 1 again.
                Last edited by hipeter924; 04-22-2009, 01:05 AM.

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                • #18
                  Re: (NWO) New World Order

                  Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
                  2. Okay then...you hate the church, amnesty international, and human rights commissions...and instead put your entire trust in your corporate police. Have fun...they won't give a damn about you though. You don't need corporate police to instil morality or order, people can find that order within themselves aka free will, and moral groups can led them in the right direction. This is not the Spanish inquisition...that occurred in a system of government.
                  Why do you think I hate the church? Amnesty International? HRC? Did I say that? NO!
                  I actually attend church regularly (weekly) I admire Amnesty, HRC is very necessary.
                  What I do dislike is people reading, not digesting but making their own assumptions.
                  3. Governments are not effectively powerless. They tax and regulate...you think business likes that? No they don't. Regardless corporations were formed as a response to deal with the tax and regulation of the market by the forces of government. International corporations have loyalty to their shareholders, and loyalty to their CEO.
                  Governments tax/regulate.......companies lobby those governments for their own ends. Companies re-locate from countries which don't respond to their lobbying, companies pay taxes in the most preferential country for them. How many CEOs have the loyalty of their company? Ultimately.....not many, if any!
                  Governments actually regulate and set different taxes in response to business, not the other way.
                  Besides all the problems you worry about in today's world are a result of big corporations...instead what I prefer is millions upon millions of small independent companies competing (as a free market should be), and no one holding a massive monopoly like Microsoft or Apple does over computers and their software. If they were small (and thus you can go up to them as human beings) then they could care...big corporations can never.
                  Again, you make an assumption, incorrectly. I mentioned large corporations in the context of the thread and smaller societies. Duh.
                  Small compact companies would be a very nice way forward, unfortunately, many of the products and processes we take for granted today, need mass labour and/or mass investment.
                  4. Again Economics does not encompass all society, it is part of a society. Read a dictionary please. Also read point 1 again.
                  This point is quite unnecessary and quite unnecessarily tries to be offensive.

                  Once more : aka = also known as (usually used for personal aliases), I think you use it mistakenly instead of : e.g. = for example.

                  Please re-arrange this sentence :

                  Stones, houses, people, throw, in, glass, shouldn't.

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                  • #19
                    Re: (NWO) New World Order

                    Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
                    What part about medieval economics do you not understand? A capitalist system with small business as opposed to corporations existed for thousands of years quite well.
                    Please read !!!!!

                    Economics not Society!!!!!

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                    • #20
                      Re: (NWO) New World Order

                      Originally posted by hrai View Post
                      Kanada, so successful = non-use of nukes?

                      North Korea?
                      Albania?

                      When a system is backed by the largest military force in the world, people have no choice but to accept it. North Korea, Albania, Cuba, etc... are all symptoms of oppression from greater powers. It's not their system that makes them unsuccessful. Success also means different things to different people. How many countries tied to Capitalism are TRULY independent?
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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