Protests continue after Ayatollah's warning: Protesters beaten, tear-gassed in street

[KanadaHye]

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The sanctions are against the government of Iran which directly affects the people. If these Iranian leaders continue to be in power and continue down the same road the new sanctions will make the old ones look like picnic. Furthermore it will be a matter of time before Israel attacks the facilities which will make life even more miserable for the people of Iran. The US involvement in pushing Saddam to invade Iran and the 1979 CIA propaganda run US embassy in Tehran (yes, I was there as a kid) that started the revolution has nothing to do with current affairs. CIA, Mossad have no deep connections in Iran right now and they are not in the business of nation building and spreading the gift of democracy anymore, at least not in Iran (same cannot be said about England though, they are up to something).

A more moderate and democratic Iran will increase the chances of peace in ME and possibly reduce the tension between the superpowers out for best oil and gas routes. Nobody is saying that Mousavi is going to be the symbol of democracy, but you can bet that with Ahmadinejad Iran is headed for big trouble and a bad future for its people.

As long as there is pressure applied along its borders in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, Israel can't do squat. They can try, but they'll get their ass handed to them. The outcome wouldn't be pretty to say the least. CIA and Mossad don't sleep, they even have minions posting propaganda on all the news sites.

[KanadaHye]

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What about those of us that still have a majority of our parental family residing in Iran, we have no right to support those people. What about those of us who not only have a majority of our family still living in Iran but our family’s have lived there for several generations and have contributed to the country if only in some small way? We shouldn’t have a right to voice our opinion or support these people? I think you’re very off here. My mother has been crying and having a nervous breakdown all weekend crying for these people but we have to keep our mouths shut?

Then you should convince your own country to remove the sanctions against Iran and actually pay for the oil instead of killing and stealing it.

[Anush]

Re: Protests continue after Ayatollah's warning: Protesters beaten, tear-gassed in st

Then you should convince your own country to remove the sanctions against Iran and actually pay for the oil instead of killing and stealing it.

Quit being a butt today .... I was addressing Lucins comments about "we" have no right to have opinions "we" dont live there anymore.

[KanadaHye]

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Quit being a butt today .... I was addressing Lucins comments about "we" have no right to have opinions "we" dont live there anymore.

Sorry You know I love you like a fat kid loves cake Besides it's Monday

[KanadaHye]

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An opinion piece on the probable involvement of the CIA
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Are the Iranian Election Protests Another U.S. Orchestrated "Color Revolution"?

A number of commentators have expressed their idealistic belief in the purity of Mir-Hossein Mousavi, Ayatollah Montazeri, and the Westernized youth of Tehran. The CIA destabilization plan, announced two years ago (see below), has somehow not contaminated unfolding events.

The claim is made that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stole the election because the outcome was declared too soon after the polls closed for all the votes to have been counted. Mousavi declared his victory several hours before the polls closed, however. This is classic CIA destabilization designed to discredit a contrary outcome. It forces an early declaration of the vote. The longer the time interval between the pre-emptive declaration of victory and the release of the vote tally, the longer Mousavi has to create the impression that the authorities are using the time to fix the vote. It is amazing that people don't see through this trick.

A lot like a disqualification bout in wrestling You know you're going to lose so make it look like you were cheated.




WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The son of the former shah of Iran called Monday for solidarity against Iran's Islamic regime, warning that the democratic movement born out of the election crisis might not succeed without international support.

Reza Shah Pahlavi has lived in exile since 1979, when his father was overthrown during the Islamic Revolution.




"The moment of truth has arrived," Reza Shah Pahlavi said at Washington's National Press Club. "The people of Iran need to know who stands with them."

Pahlavi has lived in exile since 1979, when his father, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, was overthrown during the Islamic Revolution. Under the shah's regime, Iran saw nationalization of its oil and a strong movement toward modernization. Still, his secular programs and recognition of Israel cost him the support of the country's Shiite clergy, sparking clashes with the religious right and others who resented his pro-West views.

The son now lives in the United States with his family, where he spends much of his time talking about the Islamic regime in Iran.

During his remarks, he broke into tears when he spoke of "bullets piercing our beloved Neda," a woman killed Saturday by Iranian police at a protest in Tehran, whose death has become a rallying cry among demonstrators in Iran. Video Watch one woman's account of clashes with security forces »

The Iranian regime, he said, was a "sinking Titanic" that might not survive the demands for democracy and human rights reverberating through the country. Video Watch Pahlavi call vote "fraud" »

Citing anecdotes from people inside the Iranian establishment, Pahlavi said he had heard that security forces have begun to distance themselves from the regime.

"It has already started," he said, citing reports that members of the security forces have gone home after their shifts ended and changed into plain clothes to join the protesters.

"Many, many elements within the security forces, within the Revolutionary Guard, are showing discontent," Pahlavi said. "There is an amazing reflection that is happening. ... This is a movement that has blown out of proportion."

Pahlavi praised the statements and tone of President Obama, saying that any outside attempt to interfere in Iran's internal affairs "will give the tyrants the excuse they need to paper over their own differences and target every man struggling for freedom as a foreign agent."

But he said there was a difference between interfering in a country's sovereign affairs and standing for principles of human rights and democracy.

"We welcome that. This is effective. It is important," he said. "This is precisely what Iranians at home demand world leaders, particularly someone like President Obama, who after all his entire message of hope and change and affirmative action ... was a big inspiration to many."

But, he added, Obama and other world leaders must be prepared to change their tactics if the violence against protesters gets much worse.

"The question is, what will the world governments do this time?" he asked. "Are we going to have Tiananmen Square revisited? Or is [it] going to be this time different?"

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...nce/index.html

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When all else fails... cry in public. The bleeding heart democrats will sympathize.

[retro]

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Iranian leader blasts 'evil' Britain

Breaking his silence after a week of historic protests, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, blasted an "evil" Britain and the West for meddling in his country's affairs, only to be met with defiance from Canada and its allies.

The war of words erupted as Iran's defeated opposition leaders were to meet today with the powerful Guardian Council to air their concerns over the election and find a peaceful solution. But Khamenei's pronouncements made clear the opposition had little room to bargain and was faced with a stark choice--stay home today or face the wrath of the state.

"Iranian authorities have asked Canada to abstain from commenting on the situation. We will do no such thing," Conservative MP Deepak Obhrai, the parliamentary secretary for Foreign Affairs, said on Friday from the floor of the House of Commons.

"Today, Ayatollah Khamenei warned the street protesters must stop or opposition leaders would be held responsible for the ensuing violence. Our government continues to express its deep concern over the allegations of fraud and we continue to call for a full and transparent investigation."

But Khamenei made it clear on Friday in his first public comments that the victory of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the disputed June 12 election was not in any way rigged.

He fired back at his country's protesters and defiantly lashed out Friday at the West, accusing foreigners of fuelling the unrest.

Khamenei ordered supporters of defeated reform candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi to end their protest, issuing thinly veiled threats and telling them in no uncertain terms that he had no use for their accusations.

Khamenei blasted Britain, in particular, as the "most evil" of Iran's enemies, setting off yet another round of diplomatic brinkmanship as the Foreign Office in London called in Iran's envoy for a dressing down.

Western diplomats, including Canada's, have been called on the carpet in Tehran, while Iranian envoys, including Iran's charge d'affairs who leads the diplomatically downgraded embassy in Ottawa, have received stern warnings not to harm protesters and allow free speech.

Khamenei, though, warned that the Islamic regime is all but fed up with the biggest outpouring of opposition since the 1979 revolution that brought it to power, as he ominously raised the spectre of a violent crackdown if the demonstrators refuse to retreat from the streets.

Iran has expelled most of the western journalists who covered the election, and has barred international media outlets still in the country from directly covering the protests. The regime has also shut down cellphone service and Internet sites that had been crucial to Mousavi's supporters during the election.

Attendees at Friday prayers in Tehran, where Khamenei unleashed his lengthy tirade, reportedly chanted "Death to Britain" the top cleric focused on Britain.

Khamenei said that the various western diplomats of "showing their true enmity towards the Iranian Islamic state and the most evil of them is the British government."

http://www.montrealgazette.com/News/Iranian+leader+blasts+evil+Britain/1717048/story.html

[Federate]

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This discussion has yet to touch the most important perspective for us and that is, how will all this affect Armenia?

Ahmadinejad's Iran has been a good one for our motherland. It has combated Pan-Turkism, improved Armenia-Iran relations, signed multi-billion dollar projects together and strengthened the Russia-Armenia-Iran axis. Assuming he stays, this will only continue. Possible drawback is that as Iran gets isolated, the importance of Azerbaijan's oil goes up since it takes its place as oil exporter to Europe (aka Nabucco) instead of the more logical Iranian exports. However, the status quo is pretty beneficial to Armenia.

Enter Mousavi. Ethnic Azari* that speaks Farsi with a thick Turkic accent, apparently is supposed to be more friendly in terms of foreign relations with the West (and by extension its allies such as "Azerbaijan"?) Assuming this man has any kind of effect on foreign policy and improves relations with the West, there is a small possibility that Iran comes back into the picture as an oil exporter to Europe, thereby diminishing Azerbaijan's importance. The possible drawback? He could work on becoming closer to Azerbaijan and this would be disastrous to Armenia. Of course, these are predictions because we have not seen him in power yet. Some people claim he is an Iranian nationalist which means he would not tolerate the Pan-Turkic separatists.

What about the Armenian-Iranians? They are given maximum minority freedoms as we speak and are respected with their own representatives in parliament. Churches are protected and some historical ones are UNESCO heritage sites. The Iranian state would never harm its Armenian minority because they are Christians and this is good pr against the West, basically amounting to "Look, crusaders in the West. Islam tolerates Christianity and we can live in harmony in Iran."

*An Azari is an ethnic Azeri that lives in Iran. They are pretty different ideologically than their kin living in the fake "republic of Azerbaijan". They are Iran's largest minority and mostly live in the north of the country.

[freakyfreaky]

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The crowd on the streets of Tehran on June 15, 2009 was estimated at its peak to be anywhere between 1 and 3 million people. At its minimum, that's about a third of the population of Hayastan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_hr7G4At84

[Lucin]

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Vay, Lucin... I know it's not ALL of them. Why does everyone here assume that everyone else is a moron?

You say comment, but when I comment you jump on it. How am I deciding someone's fate?

Nice try… did I say that to you? Obviously everybody is free to comment on a comment but when you jump on a comment that was a direct response to another member and take it personally and confuse yourself, this is what will happen…

What about those of us that still have a majority of our parental family residing in Iran, we have no right to support those people. What about those of us who not only have a majority of our family still living in Iran but our family’s have lived there for several generations and have contributed to the country if only in some small way? We shouldn’t have a right to voice our opinion or support these people? I think you’re very off here. My mother has been crying and having a nervous breakdown all weekend crying for these people but we have to keep our mouths shut?

Look, I never said you should not voice your opinion or keep your mouth shut, did I?? But in practice, those living and working outside Iran have no or little impact on today's Iran's social, economic, political or cultural current. That's the reality.

Enter Mousavi. Ethnic Azari* that speaks Farsi with a thick Turkic accent,

lol, this is not true. I don't know where you've heard this but he speaks a clean and fluent Persian.

Of course, these are predictions because we have not seen him in power yet. Some people claim he is an Iranian nationalist which means he would not tolerate the Pan-Turkic separatists.

I believe he is an Iranian nationalist, an educated decent politician. At least his past says it all.

[KanadaHye]

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The Iranians should take a page out of America's book, and pass out weed to the "peace" demonstrators ala woodstock style. Sex, drugs and rock n roll.... America's revolution.


AZERBAIJAN AND ARMENIA: DEMONSTRATIONS PLANNED AT IRANIAN EMBASSIES IN BAKU AND YEREVAN
6/17/09
Azerbaijan’s Muasir Musavat opposition party has announced plans for a demonstration on June 22 in front of the Iranian embassy in Baku to protest what it terms Iranian police’s roughshod treatment of ethnic Azeris who opposed the re-election of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Treatment of ethnic Azeris within Iran has long been a lightening-rod topic within Azerbaijan, but the Azerbaijani government has not yet made an official statement about the alleged violence against ethnic Azeri protesters. Plans for Israeli President Shimon Peres to visit Azerbaijan in late June have recently soured relations between Baku and Tehran.

In neighboring Armenia, which enjoys warm ties with Iran, protesters for the past three days have picketed the Iranian embassy to condemn Iran’s June 12 presidential vote, RFE/RL reported.

Both Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev have already congratulated their Iranian counterpart with his official re-election, a move some key European states are not yet willing to make.

http://www.eurasianet.org/department...v061709c.shtml