Muslims occupy Europe

[jgk3]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

this is a really anti nationalistic answer, but none of this matters.

Islam, Christianity, Judaism....Armenians, Germans, Turks, Chinese, in the end humanity will go on without them. xxxx happens, and there's nothing any of us can do to prevent the inevitable, cultures die out, some go on for a little while longer than others, but in the end they still disappear. Every empire in history has fallen, even if they had the resources to maintain control and assimilate the conquered populations, and in the end, their effects on the populations culture fades too.

Of course this is true, but that leads me to ask... Why were we given this form, this culture, this language and this history we call Armenian, even though we are humans and are part of a greater mankind? Why can we be so passionate and curious about our culture? Why do we consider that some elements in our world are "enemies"?

Do we feel better only by seeking psychological answers that explain how we approach ourselves this way, historical answers that reveal the truth of our perishability in the longrun?

Or do we feel better by recognizing these cultural ideas as real and not ephemerial, as the basis and purpose of life itself on Earth for us. I think it is through this later motivation that we find the energy to leave our mark for generations to come, so they can remember it as legends. There is something magical about this. Each time, the storyteller adds his own life's wonders and participates in a tradition which transcends the limitations of his pending death.

Thanks to this, history has an object of study. Children and adults alike have heros to revere and consider. And language provides the string that ties this fabric cultural realm to all the people in a community. This fabric is made by us, yet we make it real. We know it perishes if we let it, and that's why we don't want to fade away needlessly. Why is it, afterall, that even monks who seek experiences of relinquishing the ephemeral condition of the self, end up creating their own scholarly or ritual traditions to pass on.

So this must be why there are Armenians, Germans, Turks and Chinese. Our golden ages and empires can crumble, but the core from which they sprang from is the same core, the same tradition that begot us. That's the situation, and what we do with it is up to ourselves.

[gegev]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Of course this is true, but that leads me to ask... Why were we given this form, this culture, this language and this history we call Armenian, even though we are humans and are part of a greater mankind? Why can we be so passionate and curious about our culture? Why do we consider that some elements in our world are "enemies"?

Do we feel better only by seeking psychological answers that explain how we approach ourselves this way, historical answers that reveal the truth of our perishability in the longrun?

Or do we feel better by recognizing these cultural ideas as real and not ephemerial, as the basis and purpose of life itself on Earth for us. I think it is through this later motivation that we find the energy to leave our mark for generations to come, so they can remember it as legends. There is something magical about this. Each time, the storyteller adds his own life's wonders and participates in a tradition which transcends the limitations of his pending death.

Thanks to this, history has an object of study. Children and adults alike have heros to revere and consider. And language provides the string that ties this fabric cultural realm to all the people in a community. This fabric is made by us, yet we make it real. We know it perishes if we let it, and that's why we don't want to fade away needlessly. Why is it, afterall, that even monks who seek experiences of relinquishing the ephemeral condition of the self, end up creating their own scholarly or ritual traditions to pass on.

So this must be why there are Armenians, Germans, Turks and Chinese. Our golden ages and empires can crumble, but the core from which they sprang from is the same core, the same tradition that begot us. That's the situation, and what we do with it is up to ourselves.

Fine post jgk3, on the goal of life. Agree.

Creative people collectively called: civilized nations had left astonishing cultural heritage, which peoples appreciated duly and told legends about. They are the ones that have been able to leave mostly positive trace throughout mankind history. Some of the nations are extinct, but the legends make them more alive and respected, compared with the ones that still exist, but world doesn’t know anything positive about them ...

Չարն էլ է միշտ հիշվում անվերջ, անեծք նրա չար գործին …

The rest of the world remembers it. Sense of justice leaves in every human being, it may get ill, wounded but it never dies. And they will face the justice one day. May be it would seem long time for me, but it’s a moment in history terms.

[hipeter924]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

The only reason Japan does not have a strong military is because the USA won't allow it, otherwise they would have a dam good one. Japan is very much still a conquered nation and a slave to the USA. It's once proud people now worship have been rock and movie stars from the USA. It is pretty pathetic actually.

No the people don't want a giant military, it got voted down. As for Japan it isn't a slave to the USA (but a blind ally for sure), and how politics work in Asia is changing. Japan doesn't need much of a military regardless, its not like China is going to attack Japan. As for North Korea it will never attack South Korea or Japan, it will just threaten or develop the capacity to. As for culture most nations are addicted and influenced by US culture, ironically even China and Russia follow this trend.

[gegev]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Russia today thinks only about its economic benefits from the gas pipeline to be constructed with Turkey’s approval and other bilateral business projects. Now Russia lets others to do everything with Armenia; Turkey and the rest of countries would like. And even threatens us “politely”.

But I guess USA urged Turkey to agree with Russia on that, for a while ensuring Turkey’s support or neutrality in Iraq, until American troops will be taken out. And, soon enough, Russia unexpectedly will find that America is replacing its bases from Turkey to Kurdistan, Georgia and may be even solving its problems with Iran.

Leaving Turkey to face turmoil, instability and the “gas pipeline deal” facilitated by USA would be impossible to rely on. Then USA after throwing Turkey out of NATO will offer it to Russia, free of charge, to use.

But Russia doesn't know about the American plans yet?

Or it is done under the pressure of the Islamic Republics of Russia (20% of overall pupulation are Muslims) as a gesture of solidarity with Turkey?

Will see …

What do you think about this?

[Haykakan]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

No the people don't want a giant military, it got voted down. As for Japan it isn't a slave to the USA (but a blind ally for sure), and how politics work in Asia is changing. Japan doesn't need much of a military regardless, its not like China is going to attack Japan. As for North Korea it will never attack South Korea or Japan, it will just threaten or develop the capacity to. As for culture most nations are addicted and influenced by US culture, ironically even China and Russia follow this trend.

The vote of the people can and is manipulated (how else can u explain the patriot act passing). A nation without the power to defend itself is a slave to another, there are no exceptions to this rule. As for culture japan had a warrior culture based on honor etc.. but wo a military it is reduced to a scavanger level taking the leftovers (have been and over the hill stars from america). Russia and china can be much prouder of their accomplishments because they are true powers vs the paper tiger that japan is.

[Muhaha]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Japan had a strong army before they got bombed back to the stone ages. The allies demilitarized the country and the U.S. military took over. There are still 40,000 to 50,000 U.S. soldiers occupying Japan so Japan can't do anything regardless of how strong their economy is unless they go gorilla and start taking out U.S. soldiers one by one ala Afghanistan or Iraq. There is even a statement in their constitution that says they aren't allowed to have a military force... how is that for being sovereign, you can't even defend yourself. But they slave all day to make cool electronics and cars so it's all good. No, this isn't a racist world at all... keep watching TV people, ignorance is bliss. Happiness in slavery

So, Muslims can populate and occupy Europe all they want, but they can't get powerful or change laws without weapons. I've met Muslims that I found were far more trustworthy than any Canadians, Americans or Armenians for that matter. Muslims from say Indonesia are different that Pakistan... a person's religion doesn't make him/her who he/she is, it has to do a lot with personal experience, their parents, their surroundings, circumstances, etc. I wouldn't call many Europeans practicing Christians either, being fearful of another person's faith just means you're not secure about your own. It's not a Muslims fault if the rest of the population would rather waste money on their lifestyles, bmw's, etc. instead of raising children.

Where are you getting this information? Japan has an array of Armed Forces just like any other country.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Where are you getting this information? Japan has an array of Armed Forces just like any other country.

From American soldiers that were stationed there....

But if you want to read up how the U.S. controls their every move...

Introduction
Since 1947, Japan's constitution has forbidden the formation of a traditional military force. The country has maintained only a Self Defense Force (SDF), the mission of which has been to protect the Japanese mainland. Even within these limitations, the SDF has performed a paramilitary, logistical role, supporting U.S. troops based in Japan in exchange for promises of protection. Some experts now see this dynamic shifting. Arguments for "remilitarization"—or military "normalization," as many proponents term it—have gained currency over the last two decades. Since 9/11, SDF forces have been deployed overseas for the first time (to Afghanistan and Iraq). Their roles have been almost exclusively support-based, but their deployment is seen as symbolic of a change in attitudes as well as a challenge to the constitution. Japan is already one of the world's largest spenders on national defense, and the SDF is a robust force, though expenditures are narrowly targeted and essentially protective—they include no long-range bombers or missiles, no aircraft carries or nuclear submarines. Japan has come under increasing pressure to redirect this focus and expand its military operations, both from the United States and also domestically, in response to feared threats from China and North Korea.

Why does Japan’s constitution forbid a military?
Japan's current constitution was written in 1947 under the auspices of the American forces deployed to occupy and rebuild Japan after World War II. The new constitution celebrated goals of peace and democracy; as John W. Dower says in his Pulitzer Prize-winning book on postwar Japan, Embracing Defeat, the document was the "crown xxxel of the [American] reformist agenda." Article Nine explicitly forbade Japan from maintaining a military or from using force internationally for any reason. It permitted only a narrow self-defense operation, which was founded in 1954 as the SDF. Dower argues that fatigue and disillusionment with wartime nationalism made the Japanese readily willing to accept this doctrine. Much in agreement with General Douglas MacArthur, the leader of the American forces in Japan, they envisioned a "Switzerland of the Far East"—a nation that would make its way by finance, not force.

Under the 1954 Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement, the United States pledged to protect Japan under the condition that it could establish permanent military bases on Japanese soil. According to data from 2004, the United States still maintains nearly 50,000 troops at over seventy military bases in Japan, localized overwhelmingly on the southern island of Okinawa.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/10439/

I was also told that the Japanese on the island of Okinawa have darker skin and treated like 3rd class citizens.

We can start a new thread on all the countries that are "occupied" by the American military complex.

[Army]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Japs see Okinawa as like a foreign island. Also, that island does have a seperate history from Japan.

But thanks to America, I'd rather to see Uncle Sam ruling instead of fascist japs.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Japs see Okinawa as like a foreign island. Also, that island does have a seperate history from Japan.

But thanks to America, I'd rather to see Uncle Sam ruling instead of fascist japs.

Out of curiosity, why do you view one form of fascism better than another? If fascism continues at this pace, the entire world will be run like japanese society where everything is fully automated and people are like clock work.

[gegev]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Isn’t the demographic crisis in Europe and other developed/developing countries related to the lack of religious values? Which is #1 (the only) driving force to prevent abortion; that is to solve the problem.

Whatever religion people believe; the nations that lost their respect to the God’s ban of the abortion; regardless of their economic wealth, as statistics show, will disappear.

And the true believers, regardless of their economic status (poor/rich), will survive.

The problem is that Christian believers, as opposed to Muslims, nowadays are the most weak in their devotion to the God; most of them are pretending to be believers when they face Force-Major situations.

Therefore God “pretends” that he supports them.