China executes 9 Uighurs

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: China executes 9 Uighurs

China, a country with totalitarian laws that would never be tolerated in a free society

Pedro you've turned into a puzzling turkophobe. You effortlessly ignore the fact that China is the world's largest dictatorship that ruthlessly represses freedom amongst the Tibetans and Uighurs not to mention its own people with totalitarian laws that are unparalled. You glaze over the fact that a country without the rule of law has just executed 9 people but instead are convulsed by mere comments just because it's from a Turkish source.

Your style is starting to resemble the classic Armenian debating technique i.e. seek to define your opponents on terms that suit your hypothesis, usually by selecting the extremes examples and then start slandering like there's no tomorrow.

No no Jos, I just have a keen bullxxxx detector, you see I find hypocracy quite distasteful, a nation that oppresses it's own...like Turks do to Kurds?
You dismiss all of China because their government as a few issues, who is the bigot here?

Let's remember Hrant Dink quickly, or will YOU glaze over that? How about the Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians? I like how you can compare some oppression to Genocide, sorry dude but you have some weird ass priorities then, not buying. Your nation is on the road of operation "Hunt for Kurd in Iraq" so ease on the name calling, mkay?

[Catharsis]

Re: China executes 9 Uighurs

China, a country with totalitarian laws that would never be tolerated in a free society

Pedro you've turned into a puzzling turkophobe. You effortlessly ignore the fact that China is the world's largest dictatorship that ruthlessly represses freedom amongst the Tibetans and Uighurs not to mention its own people with totalitarian laws that are unparalled. You glaze over the fact that a country without the rule of law has just executed 9 people but instead are convulsed by mere comments just because it's from a Turkish source.

Your style is starting to resemble the classic Armenian debating technique i.e. seek to define your opponents on terms that suit your hypothesis, usually by selecting the extremes examples and then start slandering like there's no tomorrow.

Amnesty International in its annual report noted that Turkey STILL has more political prisoners (in thousands) than China. That is totalitarianism.

Turkey a Safe Haven for the mass-murderer and organizer of the Darfur Genocide.
Two Genocidal Regimes - Turkey and Sudan - Birds of a Feather Flock Together.

Turkey: No to safe haven for fugitive from international justice

6 November 2009

Amnesty International today condemned an invitation extended by Turkey to Sudanese President Omar al Bashir to attend a meeting in Turkey, even though he is wanted by the International Criminal Court (ICC) on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

“President Omar al Bashir is a fugitive from international justice, charged with responsibility for crimes against humanity and war crimes against men, women and children, including murder, rape, torture and forced displacement. It would be a disgrace for Turkey to offer him safe haven,” said Christopher Keith Hall, Senior Legal Advisor, at Amnesty International.

President Omar al Bashir has been invited to attend a meeting of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC), which is taking place in Istanbul Turkey from 5 to 9 November 2009.

An arrest warrant for President Omar al Bashir was issued by the ICC on 4 March 2009 on charges of crimes against humanity and war crimes.

“If the Turkish authorities fail to arrest President Omar al Bashir and hand him over to the ICC, this would be inconsistent with Turkey’s international obligations,” Christopher Keith Hall said.

“It would not only amount to obstruction of justice, but just as offering shelter to a fleeing bank robber constitutes a crime under national law, so, too, would sheltering a fugitive from international justice be complicity in crime.”

According to press reports, Turkish officials have stated that they would not arrest and surrender President Omar al Bashir.

“Turkey must act as a responsible member of the international community for the sake of thousands of victims of crimes against humanity and war crimes committed in Darfur,” Christopher Keith Hall said.

Background
Turkey is a party to the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, which obliges it to open an investigation when persons suspected of torture - without any limitation as to rank - are present and to take them into custody or take other legal measures to ensure their presence pending institution of criminal or extradition proceedings.

Although Turkey is not a party to the Rome Statute of the ICC, it is a party to the Convention against Torture and has made commitments to ratify the Rome Statute.

Under Article 13 of its Penal Code, Turkey can arrest foreigners suspected of responsibility for crimes against humanity committed abroad against other foreigners.

As a member of the Security Council, Turkey’s offer of a safe haven to a fugitive from international justice is inconsistent with the Security Council's resolution 1593 which " urges all States and concerned regional and other international organizations to cooperate fully " with the International Criminal Court regarding Darfur.

Notes to editors:
Turkey has recently sought to strengthen its relationship with Sudan. Sudan has ended visa requirements for Turkish nationals and restrictions on Turkish investment in Sudan.

Since the ICC issued the arrest warrant on 4 March 2009, President al Bashir has visited seven states (Eritrea, Egypt, Libya, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia and Zimbabwe), none of which are parties to the ICC treaty. He has recently intended to visit Uganda and Nigeria and, in each instance, after protests by civil society in those countries he cancelled his planned visits.

A number of states, including Botswana, Brazil and South Africa, have indicated that they would arrest President al Bashir if he were to enter their countries.

[hipeter924]

Re: China executes 9 Uighurs

China, a country with totalitarian laws that would never be tolerated in a free society

Pedro you've turned into a puzzling turkophobe. You effortlessly ignore the fact that China is the world's largest dictatorship that ruthlessly represses freedom amongst the Tibetans and Uighurs not to mention its own people with totalitarian laws that are unparalled. You glaze over the fact that a country without the rule of law has just executed 9 people but instead are convulsed by mere comments just because it's from a Turkish source.

Your style is starting to resemble the classic Armenian debating technique i.e. seek to define your opponents on terms that suit your hypothesis, usually by selecting the extremes examples and then start slandering like there's no tomorrow.

China is not really a dictatorship at all and instead there are 1000 representatives or so to represent all the ethnic groups and regions of China that elect a Premier and more often than not the Premier changes quite a few times and nor do they have the sort of power that Mao used to have.

Also the thing with Tibet is that it wants democracy, it would be hypocritical if not naive for the Chinese government to give Tibet democracy and then deny it to Hong Kong and the rest of China.

As for its human rights and laws I don't deny they are oppressive or repressive in many parts of China, though it has to be made clear this is a country with huge amounts of poverty like India and the other developing nations.

But China today is very respectful of other nations and unlike the other powers it only pushes its weight around when someone threatens or insults it (like Turkey did when it accused China of genocide). But at least in all of China's history they have never sought to or caused a genocide.

[bell-the-cat]

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You dismiss all of China because their government as a few issues, who is the bigot here?

Ahh, so it is a case of kill one and it's called "murder", kill millions, occupy other people's countries, despoil and destroy the global environment, and it is called "a few issues".

[bell-the-cat]

Re: China executes 9 Uighurs

But at least in all of China's history they have never sought to or caused a genocide.

I sometimes wonder - is it that Armenians have no sense of irony, or it is that their sense of irony is far too well-developed.

[Jos]

Re: China executes 9 Uighurs

No no Jos, I just have a keen bullxxxx detector, you see I find hypocracy quite distasteful, a nation that oppresses it's own...like Turks do to Kurds?
You dismiss all of China because their government as a few issues, who is the bigot here?

Let's remember Hrant Dink quickly, or will YOU glaze over that? How about the Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians? I like how you can compare some oppression to Genocide, sorry dude but you have some weird ass priorities then, not buying. Your nation is on the road of operation "Hunt for Kurd in Iraq" so ease on the name calling, mkay?

And what I find distateful is your selective sympathy. A country without the rule of law has just executed 9 people. Guilty or not, we'll never really know because of the lack of transparency in their legal system. At least acknowledge that first before your warped preoccupation with Turkey gets the better of you.

[Muhaha]

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It isn't about who's more Free. We all agree it wouldn't be too much fun to disagree with the authorities in China. This isn't what the issue is though. The issue is hypocrisy. Does China pretend or make any attempt to look like a free country?

[Jos]

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Amnesty International in its annual report noted that Turkey STILL has more political prisoners (in thousands) than China.

yes....probably because China executes most of them.

Where is the empirical evidence to support your statement? links please....

[Catharsis]

Re: China executes 9 Uighurs

yes....probably because China executes most of them.

Where is the empirical evidence to support your statement? links please....

Read the 2009 AI report and see where Turkey is listed in terms of political freedoms.

[Jos]

Re: China executes 9 Uighurs

China is not really a dictatorship at all and instead there are 1000 representatives or so to represent all the ethnic groups and regions of China that elect a Premier and more often than not the Premier changes quite a few times and nor do they have the sort of power that Mao used to have.

Also the thing with Tibet is that it wants democracy, it would be hypocritical if not naive for the Chinese government to give Tibet democracy and then deny it to Hong Kong and the rest of China.

As for its human rights and laws I don't deny they are oppressive or repressive in many parts of China, though it has to be made clear this is a country with huge amounts of poverty like India and the other developing nations.

But China today is very respectful of other nations and unlike the other powers it only pushes its weight around when someone threatens or insults it (like Turkey did when it accused China of genocide). But at least in all of China's history they have never sought to or caused a genocide.

Yeah sure, China is a shining democracy were everyone has the right to vote, has an elected parliament, bill of rights, rule of law, separation of powers.

You have no idea what your talking about bambino. China was the mother of all dictatorships. Mao Zedong was a ruthless dictator responsible for deaths of millions of people, even more than Hitler and Stalin. The “Great Leap Forward” and the later “Cultural Revolution” killed millions, and many died in numerous rural and urban purges. Mass starvation alone killed 20 to 40 million people because of Mao's forced labour.

But then again they've never harmed an Armenian so they must be ok? Do you guys really swallow your own self absorbtion ...