Hamas leader killed in Dubai

[Muhaha]

Re: Hamas leader killed in Dubai

You anti-Israel people are hilarious.

Israel's competence depends on whenever it's convenient for you.

Israel/xxxs can take over the world and control everything and they must be stopped.

At the same time, they can't carry out assassinations without being outsmarted by Dubai.

[Sassun]

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- The Agents haven't been arrested/caught because they haven't been identified.

Actually, they have been identified. According to Dubai police anyway. It's another matter altogether if you choose to take the British and Irish governments' word as true, as opposed to that of the Dubai police. Read the Dubai police head's statement, for heaven's sake. It wasn't "nothing".

I don't know - it would definitely be hugely weird if any intelligence agency defined its success as merely killing the target, even if that means having the pictures and names of its agents printed on front pages of world newspapers. But that might be just me. The invisible Mossad is no longer so invisible, is it? And I guess their "by way of deception thou shalt do war" motto is now only about some pathetic disguises in the form of wigs and moustaches.

IF the passports/documents were real, then why don't the Dubai police issue warrants for the arrest of those people since they would have their addresses,phone number, etc of their home nations.

Dun dun dun. They did. Arrest warrants have been issued. Even Interpol issued arrest warrants and red notices.

[Sassun]

Re: Hamas leader killed in Dubai

You anti-Israel people are hilarious.

Israel's competence depends on whenever it's convenient for you.

Israel/xxxs can take over the world and control everything and they must be stopped.

At the same time, they can't carry out assassinations without being outsmarted by Dubai.

Read my posts.. I never claimed Israel controls everything. I never even claimed Israel controls anything....... In fact, I thought I was arguing Israel is run by a bunch of incompetent gangstas.

[Muhaha]

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Dubai knows nothing of the whereabouts of the Mossad Agents as the passports were in fact fake. Britain is mad about it.
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British threat to Israel over Dubai Hamas assassination

Britain will consider severing its intelligence-sharing agreement with Israel if Mossad agents are proved to have stolen the identities of British passport holders, The Daily Telegraph has learnt.

The father of senior Hamas military commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh with a photo of his son Photo: REUTERS

Ministers are understood to be furious that an alleged hit squad which murdered a Hamas leader in Dubai last month cloned the passports of six unsuspecting Britons, who are now living in fear of reprisals.

Israel, which has not denied involvement in the murder, had previously promised that Mossad, its secret intelligence service, would never use British passports to help its agents carry out covert operations.

Read the rest - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ssination.html

[Sassun]

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Actually, as I said before, you seem to be in denial about the fact that Dubai police has insisted that the passports were not fake. This means that the British were in collusion with the Israelis on this issue and are now trying to save face after the whole thing fell apart. The article in the Independent (UK) also argues pretty much the same thing. And this is not the first time the UK has colluded with Israel and conspired against Arabs.

At best, we have two contradictory claims. As I said, I am far more willing to believe the Dubai police, which has so far acted competently and professionally, than a bunch of professional liars (politicians -- and British politicians at that).

I really don't get your blind fanatical insistence that this was successful intelligence work by the Mossad, when all indicators point to the opposite. As if this is the first time this has happened........... need I remind you of the attempt on the life of Khaled Mesh'al in Amman? Oh yeah, that was a huge one as well, even though the guy almost died and was saved in the last minute after the Jordanian king demanded the anti-dote. An intelligence operation is marked as a success not just by the killing of the target. The idea is to do the killing in a professional manner. A bunch of amateur gangsters could have killed that Hamas guy in his hotel room too, and gotten away before anyone could know about it.

By the way, an article in a NZ paper (there was a notorious case a few years ago, of Israelis using NZ passports to carry out assassinations) pointed out that many NZ J ews of dual nationality (Israeli & NZ) have indicated their willingness to lend the Mossad their own passports to carry out assassinations. So, the passports are not fake usually (and it's impossible to fake passports with holograms - it's easily detectable by trained airport staff, which Dubai staff are..), and, even if the passports are not the passports of the people who were in Dubai, they could have been gotten hold of by those agents BECAUSE those individuals voluntarily gave Mossad their passports. In which case, they are just as complicit in the assassination as those agents, and must be arrested by Interpol.

[Sassun]

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this is from the NZ Herald:

Keep your passport away from the spies
One question that the British Government might ask - but probably won't dare - is whether its own citizens did lend their identities to Israel in the first place.

As I wrote in September 2004, Israel's security services are long practised in the dubious art of "borrowing" foreign passports from smart, bilingual young Israelis with dual nationality.
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South African-born security analyst Hirsh Goodman said he knew of instances where "friends have had their passports taken for two months, three months and have come back with all sorts of stamps in them".
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And a former Mossad official also told me then that such "passport farming" was becoming more difficult as countries moved to introduce biometric identification in the wake of growing international terrorism.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=10627265&pnum=2

So - the above indicates that either they successfully "farmed" some people's passports who had voluntarily handed it to them, or, the ones whose pictures and names we have now, were really those who were present in Dubai. Take your pick. Both are equally bad for Israel , and in both cases , we have the names and identities of at least some of those who were involved/complicit in the assassination, whether directly or indirectly.

[Armanen]

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You anti-Israel people are hilarious.

Israel's competence depends on whenever it's convenient for you.

Israel/xxxs can take over the world and control everything and they must be stopped.

At the same time, they can't carry out assassinations without being outsmarted by Dubai.

Your pro israeli stance is a dis service to Armenians. I hope you realize that israel is not a friendly nation to Armenia. Do I need to bring up the role zionist/israeli lobby has played in not getting the Armenian Genocide approved in either the u.s., u.k., or israel (nation founded because of a genocide!). Or the arms sales to and warm diplomatic relationship with azerbaijan.

[Muhaha]

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Your pro israeli stance is a dis service to Armenians. I hope you realize that israel is not a friendly nation to Armenia. Do I need to bring up the role zionist/israeli lobby has played in not getting the Armenian Genocide approved in either the u.s., u.k., or israel (nation founded because of a genocide!). Or the arms sales to and warm diplomatic relationship with azerbaijan.

I criticize all those aspects of Israel regarding Armenia and Armenians. However, I don't get emotional and start crying about everything Israel does just because it has an unenviable policy towards us. I judge every one of Israel's actions on it's own merits.

[Armanen]

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I criticize all those aspects of Israel regarding Armenia and Armenians. However, I don't get emotional and start crying about everything Israel does just because it has an unenviable policy towards us. I judge every one of Israel's actions on it's own merits.

It certainly doesn't come across that way, so maybe you should start being more precise with your writing.

[Muhaha]

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It certainly doesn't come across that way, so maybe you should start being more precise with your writing.

Point to a post I've made regarding Armenia/Israel where I've defended Israel's actions and policies towards Armenia/Armenians.