Hamas leader killed in Dubai

[Lucin]

Re: Hamas leader killed in Dubai

Your pro israeli stance is a dis service to Armenians. I hope you realize that israel is not a friendly nation to Armenia. Do I need to bring up the role zionist/israeli lobby has played in not getting the Armenian Genocide approved in either the u.s., u.k., or israel (nation founded because of a genocide!). Or the arms sales to and warm diplomatic relationship with azerbaijan.

Pro-Israeli rhetoric coming from Armenians is even more sickening...

[Armanen]

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Point to a post I've made regarding Armenia/Israel where I've defended Israel's actions and policies towards Armenia/Armenians.

You are bringing up something which I haven't accused you of. Go back and re read what I wrote, 'your pro israeli', that is phrase I used, not anti-Armenian or anything of the sort. I do think that a blanket support of israel is a dis service, especially to Armenia. However, if you also criticize them too, that changes things but I haven't seen any negative comments about israel from you, not saying you haven't posted any, just that I have not read them.
Also, based on some of your older posts, on the middle east, arabs, and israel, it seems that you favor the latter over the former and have some hang up about islam. I'm not a fan of islam either, but I realize that any religion or philosophy can be used to justify any action, good or bad. If you are of the same opinion than great!

[Sassun]

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Point to a post I've made regarding Armenia/Israel where I've defended Israel's actions and policies towards Armenia/Armenians.

I think that a state/people that's despicable enough to deny our Genocide and lobby against its recognition, is in general despicable and not to be defended in any way whatsoever, even when it comes to its policies towards other nations. As Armenians, we must stand up for what's right, and not just a narrow outlook about what allegedly "benefits" Armenia/Armenians, because what benefits Armenia and Armenians, is standing up for justice everywhere... rather than advocating selective "justice".

[KanadaHye]

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Australia warns Israel on passports
Israeli envoy summoned over alleged use of forged passports in Dubai killing

Australia's foreign minister has summoned Israel's ambassador to investigate the use of forged Australian passports in a Dubai assassination.

Stephen Smith called Yuval Rotem to his office in Canberra, the capital, on Thursday. He warned him any involvement of Israel in the use of the passports — used in the Jan. 19 killing of a senior Hamas figure — would not be seen as the "act of a friend."

"I made it crystal clear to the ambassador that if the results of that investigation cause us to come to the conclusion that the abuse of the Australian passports was in any way sponsored or condoned by Israeli officials, then Australia would not regard that as the act of a friend," Smith told reporters.

Earlier in the day, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said his government would "not let the matter rest" until the facts were known, and called the forgery of Australian passports "by any state, let alone for the purposes of assassination … of the deepest concern" to the government.

"We've got to get to the bottom of this and establish the facts," Rudd told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation

"It is not a trifling matter," Rudd said. "It is not something you just push to one side. We will not leave a single stone unturned."

Dubai authorities have warned their Australian counterparts of the possible use of forged passports in the Jan.19 slaying of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in a hotel room in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Three of the 26 possibly fraudulent passports are Australian. The others are British, Irish, French and German.

Dubai's police chief, Lt. Gen. Dahi Khalfan Tamim, has said he was nearly "100 per cent" certain that Israel's Mossad secret service masterminded the killing. Hamas also has blamed Israel and vowed revenge.

Israeli officials have a policy of not commenting on allegations about any of its spy agency's activities.

Australian officials do not believe the three Australian passport holders — Joshua Daniel Bruce, Adam Marcus Korman and Nicole Sandra McCabe — had any involvement in the incident, Smith said.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...passports.html

[hipeter924]

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this is from the NZ Herald:

Keep your passport away from the spies
One question that the British Government might ask - but probably won't dare - is whether its own citizens did lend their identities to Israel in the first place.



So - the above indicates that either they successfully "farmed" some people's passports who had voluntarily handed it to them, or, the ones whose pictures and names we have now, were really those who were present in Dubai. Take your pick. Both are equally bad for Israel , and in both cases , we have the names and identities of at least some of those who were involved/complicit in the assassination, whether directly or indirectly.

I know an old, but fun case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Israel_%E2%80%93_New_Zealand_spy_scandal

On July 15, 2004, New Zealand imposed diplomatic sanctions against Israel and suspended high-level contacts between the two countries in July 2004 after two Israeli citizens, Uriel Zosha Kelman and Eli Cara, were convicted of passport fraud in Auckland. The New Zealand government said there was strong evidence that the two men were Mossad agents and Prime Minister Helen Clark said:

"The New Zealand government views the act carried out by the Israeli intelligence agents as not only utterly unacceptable but also a breach of New Zealand sovereignty and international law."

New Zealand police allege that a third Israeli citizen, former Israeli diplomat Zev William Barkan, was the one who actually tried to get the passport. Tony Resnick, a former paramedic with St John Ambulance, to which the cerebral palsy sufferer[clarification needed] also belonged, is also believed to have been involved. Barkan and Resnick were never found, but are believed to have left New Zealand before Kelman and Cara were caught.

[Sassun]

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I think all those western countries are lying and just trying to sound outraged while sort of covering Israel's back: the passports are not fake. The new video footage disproves that possibility beyond the shadow of a doubt. Unless of course ALL the suspects happen to have evil identical twins. But then again, we are told to believe even the most absurd things, as long as that will whitewash israeli crimes/stupidity. Honestly, it's ridiculous that these governments think they can fool their own people let alone anyone in the Middle East, about those passports. WATCH THE VIDEO FOOTAGE, for heaven's sake.

[KanadaHye]

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I think all those western countries are lying and just trying to sound outraged while sort of covering Israel's back: the passports are not fake. The new video footage disproves that possibility beyond the shadow of a doubt. Unless of course ALL the suspects happen to have evil identical twins. But then again, we are told to believe even the most absurd things, as long as that will whitewash israeli crimes/stupidity. Honestly, it's ridiculous that these governments think they can fool their own people let alone anyone in the Middle East, about those passports. WATCH THE VIDEO FOOTAGE, for heaven's sake.

Their own people are rather easy to fool since most of them are out of touch with the rest of the world. There are obviously members in government throughout the world that are loyal to the Israeli cause which is what makes it all so disturbing.

[hipeter924]

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Their own people are rather easy to fool since most of them are out of touch with the rest of the world. There are obviously members in government throughout the world that are loyal to the Israeli cause which is what makes it all so disturbing.

Learn from the KGB. Money, drugs and sex can buy almost anyone; it's easier to bribe and get people to work for you than you think.

[KanadaHye]

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Learn from the KGB. Money, drugs and sex can buy almost anyone; it's easier to bribe and get people to work for you than you think.

Well, when the USSR collapsed, I'm sure a lot of those ex. KGB operatives migrated to places like Canada, US, Australia, U.K., etc.