Pregnant widow accused of adultery executed by Taliban

[Muhaha]

Re: Pregnant widow accused of adultery executed by Taliban

My point is this story comes from the AFP which is a news press in France and there are no other reporters reporting the story so whether it's true or false can't be proven. It's not eye witness reporting.

You're contradicting yourself. You proclaimed this to be zionist propaganda, now you're saying whether it's true or false can't be proven. So which is it?

How is it that the Taliban can still govern and keep up with peoples' private affairs while trying to fight off the world's best armies....

Easy. This isn't the type of war that the "Worlds best armies" can win. That's why the Taliban is winning and continues to control areas and regions. This entire escapade has always been a failed mission and anybody with a sane mind has advocated a non-military approach to the situation.

My guess is they have a folder full of these stories and they throw them up for "moral" support so the liberals don't get on their case about war making them feel sympathetic towards the poor women in Afghanistan even though the military operation has nothing to do with "liberating" Afghanistan.

Your guess that they have a folder full of stories can easily be true, that's what you should have said from the get-go, instead of solidly stating the story to be false.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Pregnant widow accused of adultery executed by Taliban

You're contradicting yourself. You proclaimed this to be zionist propaganda, now you're saying whether it's true or false can't be proven. So which is it?

If you look at the definition of propaganda it is basically a way of telling half truths to sway public opinion. What if she was accused of adultery but convicted of murder (which is why she's a widow, i.e. murdered her husband). Besides, I'm forced to follow the laws of the country I live in and I don't agree with many of them. People should learn to live by the rules or suffer the consequences.

Easy. This isn't the type of war that the "Worlds best armies" can win. That's why the Taliban is winning and continues to control areas and regions. This entire escapade has always been a failed mission and anybody with a sane mind has advocated a non-military approach to the situation.

There is nothing TO win. The goal is to take control of Afghanistan and install a puppet government, one that is more corrupt than the Taliban.

Your guess that they have a folder full of stories can easily be true, that's what you should have said from the get-go, instead of solidly stating the story to be false.

The story being true or false doesn't change the reason why it was selected and published world wide.

[Muhaha]

Re: Pregnant widow accused of adultery executed by Taliban

If you look at the definition of propaganda it is basically a way of telling half truths to sway public opinion. What if she was accused of adultery but convicted of murder (which is why she's a widow, i.e. murdered her husband).

Okay, we get it. You can add a bunch of "What if's" to this story and most other stories out there. But that's not what you originally did. You solidly proclaimed it to be zionist propaganda. Just admit your first post was wrong and move on.

Besides, I'm forced to follow the laws of the country I live in and I don't agree with many of them. People should learn to live by the rules or suffer the consequences.

So? What's your point?

There is nothing TO win. The goal is to take control of Afghanistan and install a puppet government, one that is more corrupt than the Taliban.

You're swaying off topic. You asked how the Taliban can be fighting armies and taking part in people's day to day lives at the same time and my point to you is that it's very easy for them to do so. The "Worlds Best Armies" are incredibly ineffective at this type of war.

The story being true or false doesn't change the reason why it was selected and published world wide.

Once again off topic. We're not arguing publisher intent. We're arguing validity.

[Muhaha]

Re: Pregnant widow accused of adultery executed by Taliban

Why is it that it's easy for me to say "It's possible that this story is false or misleading" but it's impossible for you to say "It's possible that this story is true and valid".

[retro]

Re: Pregnant widow accused of adultery executed by Taliban

Easy. This isn't the type of war that the "Worlds best armies" can win. That's why the Taliban is winning and continues to control areas and regions. This entire escapade has always been a failed mission and anybody with a sane mind has advocated a non-military approach to the situation.

Why do you think that NATO's is out there too democratise the country and open McDonald's, in Kabul?

[Muhaha]

Re: Pregnant widow accused of adultery executed by Taliban

Why do you think that NATO's is out there too democratise the country and open McDonald's, in Kabul?

I never said or implied that. What are you laughing about?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Pregnant widow accused of adultery executed by Taliban

Why is it that it's easy for me to say "It's possible that this story is false or misleading" but it's impossible for you to say "It's possible that this story is true and valid".

It's possible that this story is true and valid but I'm 99% sure it's not the whole truth. There I said it.


Propaganda works both ways.... I can't confirm or deny the below either but in a war zone, I'd be willing to bet it's quite common and we are censored from most things that happen.


Media Feeds Americans Fake News About Afghanistan
Submitted by Anne Landman on April 5, 2010 - 2:43pm.


Glen Greenwald of Salon.com reports that Americans are being fed false and misleading "news" about the U.S. war in Afghanistan because major American media outlets, like the New York Times and CNN, publish propagandized Pentagon accounts of the violence and killing occurring there, without questioning the information they are fed.

An egregious example of this occurred on February 12, 2010, when NATO's joint international force issued a press release that bore the headline Joint Force Operating In Gardez Makes Gruesome Discovery. The release said that after "intelligence confirmed militant activity" in a compound near a village in Paktiya province, an international security force entered the compound and engaged "several insurgents" in a fire fight. Two "insurgents" were killed, the report said, and after the joint forces entered the compound, they "found the bodies of three women who had been tied up, gagged and killed."

But an Afghan news report about the same incident differed wildly.


"The Latest Imprecise Operation"

Pajhwok Afghan News reported that U.S. Special Forces, acting on a misleading tip-off, mistakenly stormed the residence of the intelligence chief in the Zurmat district. His name was Daud, and he was inside the home celebrating the birth of his son with his family. Killed in the raid were Daud, his brother Zahir, and three women. The Afghan news further reported that "A gubernatorial spokesman ... verified the latest imprecise operation by NATO-led troops."

Despite this very different account of the incident, CNN repeated the Pentagon's fake version of the events, in an article titled Bodies found gagged, bound after Afghan "honor killing." In the article, CNN quoted an unnamed "senior U.S. military official" who speculated that the Taliban "could be" responsible for the women's deaths. The New York Times, too, published an article about the incident in which they admitted there were "differing accounts" of what had happened, but failed to describe these differing accounts beyond a mere mention, while reprinting NATO's version of the events in its entirety.


Pentagon Finally Admits Botched Raid

Almost two months later, the Pentagon was finally forced to admit that international forces had badly bungled the raid that night in Paktika, and that military troops had, in fact, killed the women during their assault on the residence. One of the women was a pregnant mother of ten, and the other was a pregnant mother of six children.


Reporters Who Tell the Truth are Intimidated

The Times of London's Afghanistan reporter, Jerome Starkey, wrote an article about the botched raid that was published at NiemanWatchdog.org. In his piece, he detailed how the U.S.-led forces had lied about the events at the February 12 raid, and speculated about why the American media mindlessly repeats lies advanced by the Pentagon about military events in Afghanistan. Starkey said he personally went to the scene of the raid and spent three days interviewing survivors -- something most news organizations won't do. He blamed news organizations' lack of resources, the danger of traveling around Afghanistan and the "embed culture" for the failure of news organizations the print the truth. But he also revealed that NATO tries to censor, intimidate and punish reporters who fail to report their official versions of events in Afghanistan. After Starkey wrote about what really happened at Paktika, NATO issued a press release titled ISAF Rejects Cover Up Allegation, which named Starkey personally and called his reports of the incident "categorically false." The release continued to claim that the women at Paktika were killed prior to the arrival of American and international troops, attributing their binding and gagging to a cultural pre-burial ritual.


Americans' Diet of Phony War News

In May, 2007, PRWatch published another blog listing over half a dozen other accounts of occasions on which the military fed false information to the media and soldiers' families. It seems the practice has not changed. This incident takes its place alongside a slew of other fictionalized "news" that the Pentagon has fed the media, like the myth of Jessica Lynch's "heroic firefight" and the circumstances surrounding the friendly-fire death of football star Pat Tillman.

Americans have been fed a diet of fictionalized accounts about the war in Afghanistan, thanks to our military which cannot be trusted to tell the public the truth about what they do. We can only wonder what might happen to support for the war if Americans got truthful accounts from its military about what happens in Afghanistan, instead of lies that have to be "outed" by the very few brave independent reporters who have the integrity to undertake that task, no matter the cost.

http://www.prwatch.org/node/8991